Ottoman hancer / court dagger?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

or another one in better shape

Nice one, is it yours?

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Nice one, is it yours?

Yep! Luckily got it a couple of months ago.

I still don't know whether it is wootz or not, but I am going to try etching it soon.

PS: I tried to send you a private message but it appears your mailbox is full.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

What a blade this is!

The scabbard will be relatively new...accepted... The hilt however is massively worn and under scrutiny has the same criss cross pattern as the golden work on the blade as has the crossguard. The massive wear on the hilt thus gives age to the original hilt and blade. May this be a snapped sword recovered and made at the time 17th/18tyh C. A masterwork in recycling...spoils of war?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

What a blade this is!

The scabbard will be relatively new...accepted... The hilt however is massively worn and under scrutiny has the same criss cross pattern as the golden work on the blade as has the crossguard. The massive wear on the hilt thus gives age to the original hilt and blade. May this be a snapped sword recovered and made at the time 17th/18tyh C. A masterwork in recycling...spoils of war?

I am not sure if the Ottomans had swords of this type, I have only seen this shape as a dagger. One question I do have is how far back can the large I shaped hilt type be traced back, if the blade could be 18th century was this type of hilt also used during this time period?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by estcrh

I am not sure if the Ottomans had swords of this type, I have only seen this shape as a dagger. One question I do have is how far back can the large I shaped hilt type be traced back, if the blade could be 18th century was this type of hilt also used during this time period?

I think this form of hilt goes way back...certainly a couple of centuries. See https://www.google.com/search?q=hist...pBLfuIAWqmM%3A for other examples.. The word Khanjar from which came Hancer appeared in weapon descriptions in India / Persia in the 16th Century. (According to the Met.) The blade style is Ottoman probably made as such and not reclaimed off a broken sword however for such weapons it was common that winner takes all and after a battle weapons were recycled from those taken from enemies on the battlefield... but as I say this form was an Ottoman type..

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I think this form of hilt goes way back...certainly a couple of centuries. See https://www.google.com/search?q=hist...pBLfuIAWqmM%3A for other examples.. The word Khanjar from which came Hancer appeared in weapon descriptions in India / Persia in the 16th Century. (According to the Met.) The blade style is Ottoman probably made as such and not reclaimed off a broken sword however for such weapons it was common that winner takes all and after a battle weapons were recycled from those taken from enemies on the battlefield... but as I say this form was an Ottoman type..

Here are a couple of Indian daggers from the Met Museum which seem to copy the Ottoman style straight dagger.