CLOISONNE PRIMER FLASK AND BULLET BOX

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Ibrahiim,

Do you have some photos of this Algerian nimcha with cloisonne?
I'm curious to see that.
Thanks

Kubur

I have seen the very heavily clossoned Algerian Hilt and I will dig it out...Meanwhile something is wrong with the search function on Forum...or it could be my computer...I trailed all the way through about 14 pages of Library and somehow came up on BAT HILTS # 21 as~

The Nimcha. The Italian and/or Venetian sword appears as the origin of species and can be seen transmitted along the North African Mediterranean Coast in particular cloisonne versions in Algeria and other examples of a similar theme as far west as Morocco in the Mediterranean. It seems to have been a preferred weapon of the Barbary Coast ~ Pirates.
A few swords somehow arrived in England early in the 16thC though on long English blades etc etc

I place plate 32 by Buttin for interest.

The write up on the gilded sword below indicates Moroccan although I suggest it is Algerian as they were very fond of Cloisonne which you can see at the scabbard..and may also have been also on the hilt but degraded...I will search for a fully cloisonne hilt..

Meanwhile a few other boxes... are these Quran or bullet boxes...? The Islamic geometry indicates Quranic rather than for bullets. Excellent picture above by Ward and the logical conclusion that the long sliding lid is for a miniature Quran not for bullets...and illustrates a miniature Quran carried as a Talisman. (From an Arabic word EXPANDED UPON AS ~ Origin Mid 17th century: based on Arabic ṭilsam, apparently from an alteration of late Greek telesma 'completion, religious rite', from telein 'complete, perform a rite', from telos 'result, end'.).

I added a few Algerian Flyssa which although often adorned with red floor wax as a cheap way of lookalike Cloisonne ...added for interest.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I added a few Algerian Flyssa which although often adorned with red floor wax as a cheap way of lookalike Cloisonne ...added for interest.

Hi Ibrahiim,
This is not cloisonne. Most of your examples are inlay technic. The cloisonne is done with glaze/ ennamel. Not engraved or inserted but added.
The two first swords and your last sword are from Morocco by the way. Look on the forum we have few examples of nice cloisonne.
Best,

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Ibrahiim,
This is not cloisonne. Most of your examples are inlay technic. The cloisonne is done with glaze/ ennamel. Not engraved or inserted but added.
The two first swords and your last sword are from Morocco by the way. Look on the forum we have few examples of nice cloisonne.
Best,

Hello Kubur,...Good point however; What I said was I couldn't at this time access library for tech issues ...but I can recall seeing full cloisonne on there...I explained that red floor wax was used on the Flyssa...and placed some other Quran Boxes as further examples. I also outlined that I thought the provenance was slightly incorrect and that the cloisonne which is shown on the Nimcha with gold embellishment was in fact Algerian.

See also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4782 which may also be Algerian...

Your point is interesting since after hours of searching I cannot separate the two... that may well be because they are inseparable in that Berber Moroccan and Berber Algerian may have the same sword; The Clossonne hilt Nimcha.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

HEREIN IS PART OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL CONUNDRUM WITH SWORDS OF THIS TYPE...SEE http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=128