An Arab Hijaz Dagger in Ottoman Scabbard?

CharlesS · 14th August 2016, 09:55 PM

Kubur: Thanks so much! What a helpful photograph!

Marius: There is nothing about this wootz that is faked. It's just a different sort of wootz than we more commonly see and not nearly as attractive as other sorts IMHO, but wootz, nonetheless.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th August 2016, 10:52 PM

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio...previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

A.alnakkas · 14th August 2016, 11:13 PM

I really like this one and think it found a good home. This style is called magfal in the modern days and generally comes in full silver dress. This is an older version of it and what I find interesting in it is the very obvious Ottoman influence. Taif is one of the places where this style is worn often (depending on tribe) and Taif was for a good while, under Ottoman influence :-) so nice, you have a pretty good old one.

Kubur · 14th August 2016, 11:19 PM

A last one for the road, with a good blade too...

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th August 2016, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

A last one for the road, with a good blade too...

Superb pictures Kubur; Thank you very much..

ariel · 15th August 2016, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio...previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

Regretfully, 4 out of 5 kindjals in that collection are very, very modern replicas. Not sure about the fifth: need better glasses.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th August 2016, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Regretfully, 4 out of 5 kindjals in that collection are very, very modern replicas. Not sure about the fifth: need better glasses.

Actually I think you have a point although I thought the Yemeni Tuza and the Sabiki Dharia looked ok...but it was a long day ... Maybe I need glasses too

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th August 2016, 03:47 AM

A.alnakkas · 15th August 2016, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I'd recommend Steve Gracie's book called Jambiya. Its quite educational about items from Hijaz and Yemen.

kahnjar1 · 15th August 2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

I'd recommend Steve Gracie's book called Jambiya. Its quite educational about items from Hijaz and Yemen.

I "second" that!! Great book.

A.alnakkas · 17th August 2016, 10:40 PM

Here is another lovely example:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4655

DaveA · 2nd January 2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio...previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

The URL above is incorrect. You can find the Sabiki Dharias listed in this page: http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio...an-penninsula/

DaveS · 3rd January 2017, 02:06 AM

Charles: It looks like Syrian Wootz (Sham) to me............Dave.

Battara · 3rd January 2017, 09:03 PM

A weird thought (I know shocking...

) but I was looking a those silver "fowers", and was wondering if there might have been a little Indian influence in this. The area of origin does trade with India...............

14th August 2016, 11:19 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	A last one for the road, with a good blade too... Attached Images

14th August 2016, 09:55 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Kubur: Thanks so much! What a helpful photograph! Marius: There is nothing about this wootz that is faked. It's just a different sort of wootz than we more commonly see and not nearly as attractive as other sorts IMHO, but wootz, nonetheless.

14th August 2016, 10:52 PM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I agree there is no faking on this weapon ... Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio...previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

14th August 2016, 11:13 PM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	I really like this one and think it found a good home. This style is called magfal in the modern days and generally comes in full silver dress. This is an older version of it and what I find interesting in it is the very obvious Ottoman influence. Taif is one of the places where this style is worn often (depending on tribe) and Taif was for a good while, under Ottoman influence :-) so nice, you have a pretty good old one.

15th August 2016, 03:47 AM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408

17th August 2016, 10:40 PM	#11
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Here is another lovely example: http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4655

3rd January 2017, 02:06 AM	#13
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Charles: It looks like Syrian Wootz (Sham) to me............Dave.

3rd January 2017, 09:03 PM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	A weird thought (I know shocking... ) but I was looking a those silver "fowers", and was wondering if there might have been a little Indian influence in this. The area of origin does trade with India...............