Are you kidding me, "no bull?"

Sajen · 12th August 2016, 04:04 PM

"Show" fights between humans against humans, human against animal and animal against animal you will find in nearly all places of the world. It is obvious that this is justified by the primary instinct of the human beeing.
Some of this show fights seems to some people very barbarous, myself included. Take for example the cock fight in South-East-Asia. It's the same with the bulls in Spain, the cocks have a very nice life, they get every time when the time of the owner it allows a massage and the best food. The fights I've watched but don't like it but when you want to understand "Indonesians" in an ethnograhic backround it's important to have seen such cock fights.
IMVHO it have to do with Ethnograhic when the used weapons for bull fights where shown here and there is no need to love this bull fights. I also don't like them but I also don't want to have stayed byside when a human get killed with one of my weapons I've collected.

Ian · 12th August 2016, 05:03 PM

Gents, I appreciate that there are various opinions on this subject. However, the question must be asked: What does this have to do with ethnographic weapons? Please do not escalate further what is essentially a peripheral and irrelevant discussion about the so-called sport of bullfighting.

drac2k · 12th August 2016, 05:33 PM

First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it.
In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

Rick · 12th August 2016, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac2k

First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it.
In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

I think it would have been better to take this to the staff.

I believe we have been down the Bullfighting Weapons road more than once in the 15 odd years I have been involved here.
That road always leads downhill.

Bob A · 12th August 2016, 06:02 PM

I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject.

The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

Rick · 12th August 2016, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob A

I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject.

The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

Bob, you too should take your concerns to staff.

Let's move on to other things, please.

VANDOO · 12th August 2016, 07:52 PM

MY REASON FOR THE POST WAS TO SHOW A SPECIALIZED SET OF INTERESTING WEAPONS MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MYSELF INCLUDED. I SANITIZED IT, NO GORY PICTURES OR GLORIFYING OF THE SPORT. JUST REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF THE EDGED WEAPONS SHOWING SOME OF THEIR UNUSUAL FEATURES.
YET I SEE SUCH WORDS AS OUTRAGED, OFFENDED AND SUCH NO DOUBT MANY OF THESE BARBARIC ITEMS WE DISCUSS HERE ARE OFFENSIVE TO SOME. IS WHAT WE DISCUSS AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO POST OR DISCUSS TO BE DETERMINED BY THESE FEW.

NO FURTHER MENTION OF THE BRUTALITY OR HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETY'S OR THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES? IF WE FOLLOW THIS PATH AND PRECEDENT IT WILL SEVERELY LIMIT THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE SHARED HERE. I JUST DON'T READ POSTS I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE SAME WOULD GO FOR SITES I AM OFFENDED BY. I DON'T MAKE DEMANDS ON THOSE I DISAGREE WITH OR AM OFFENDED BY, I JUST GO MY OWN WAY AND THEY GO THEIRS. THE NEW FORUM "PLUCK OUT THE EYE IF IT OFFENDS THEE" POLICY IS A BIT OFFENSIVE TO ME NOW WE CAN UNFRIEND PEOPLE AND NEVER SEE ANY OF THEIR POSTS. I FIND THAT A BIT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS EVERYONE THAT POSTS HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE REGARDLESS OF IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM AND YOU ARE FREE TO POST YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEW OR ADD INFORMATION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ WHAT A CERTAIN PERSON WROTE DON'T READ IT. BUT IF THESE VIEWS OFFEND OR OUTRAGE THEE FEEL FREE TO PLUCK ALL I POST FROM THEE. ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS ARE THOSE OFFENDED THE ONES WHO REGULARLY ADD KNOWLEDGE AND POSTS TO THE FORUMS OR ONES WHO ONLY CRITIQUE AND ARE THEY A MAJORITY OR A MINOR GROUP. THAT IS SOMETHING FOR MODERATORS TO CONSIDER BEFORE TAKING THE ROAD TO P.C. WITH THE FORUM.
I AM NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE LEAST OF ALL THE MODERATORS BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. NO OFFENSE MEANT AND NO OUTRAGE FELT.

12th August 2016, 04:04 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	"Show" fights between humans against humans, human against animal and animal against animal you will find in nearly all places of the world. It is obvious that this is justified by the primary instinct of the human beeing. Some of this show fights seems to some people very barbarous, myself included. Take for example the cock fight in South-East-Asia. It's the same with the bulls in Spain, the cocks have a very nice life, they get every time when the time of the owner it allows a massage and the best food. The fights I've watched but don't like it but when you want to understand "Indonesians" in an ethnograhic backround it's important to have seen such cock fights. IMVHO it have to do with Ethnograhic when the used weapons for bull fights where shown here and there is no need to love this bull fights. I also don't like them but I also don't want to have stayed byside when a human get killed with one of my weapons I've collected.

12th August 2016, 05:03 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,519	Gents, I appreciate that there are various opinions on this subject. However, the question must be asked: What does this have to do with ethnographic weapons? Please do not escalate further what is essentially a peripheral and irrelevant discussion about the so-called sport of bullfighting.

12th August 2016, 05:33 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,294	First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it. In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

12th August 2016, 06:02 PM	#5
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 446	I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject. The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

12th August 2016, 07:52 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY REASON FOR THE POST WAS TO SHOW A SPECIALIZED SET OF INTERESTING WEAPONS MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MYSELF INCLUDED. I SANITIZED IT, NO GORY PICTURES OR GLORIFYING OF THE SPORT. JUST REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF THE EDGED WEAPONS SHOWING SOME OF THEIR UNUSUAL FEATURES. YET I SEE SUCH WORDS AS OUTRAGED, OFFENDED AND SUCH NO DOUBT MANY OF THESE BARBARIC ITEMS WE DISCUSS HERE ARE OFFENSIVE TO SOME. IS WHAT WE DISCUSS AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO POST OR DISCUSS TO BE DETERMINED BY THESE FEW. NO FURTHER MENTION OF THE BRUTALITY OR HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETY'S OR THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES? IF WE FOLLOW THIS PATH AND PRECEDENT IT WILL SEVERELY LIMIT THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE SHARED HERE. I JUST DON'T READ POSTS I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE SAME WOULD GO FOR SITES I AM OFFENDED BY. I DON'T MAKE DEMANDS ON THOSE I DISAGREE WITH OR AM OFFENDED BY, I JUST GO MY OWN WAY AND THEY GO THEIRS. THE NEW FORUM "PLUCK OUT THE EYE IF IT OFFENDS THEE" POLICY IS A BIT OFFENSIVE TO ME NOW WE CAN UNFRIEND PEOPLE AND NEVER SEE ANY OF THEIR POSTS. I FIND THAT A BIT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS EVERYONE THAT POSTS HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE REGARDLESS OF IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM AND YOU ARE FREE TO POST YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEW OR ADD INFORMATION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ WHAT A CERTAIN PERSON WROTE DON'T READ IT. BUT IF THESE VIEWS OFFEND OR OUTRAGE THEE FEEL FREE TO PLUCK ALL I POST FROM THEE. ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS ARE THOSE OFFENDED THE ONES WHO REGULARLY ADD KNOWLEDGE AND POSTS TO THE FORUMS OR ONES WHO ONLY CRITIQUE AND ARE THEY A MAJORITY OR A MINOR GROUP. THAT IS SOMETHING FOR MODERATORS TO CONSIDER BEFORE TAKING THE ROAD TO P.C. WITH THE FORUM. I AM NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE LEAST OF ALL THE MODERATORS BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. NO OFFENSE MEANT AND NO OUTRAGE FELT.