Wootz Katar

Jens Nordlunde · 9th August 2016, 07:17 PM

Marius,
Where would you say stop - no, no, no:-):-)?
We all have our limits, where is yours?

mariusgmioc · 9th August 2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Marius,
Where would you say stop - no, no, no:-):-)?
We all have our limits, where is yours?

Don't know. Didn't reach it yet. Will let you know as soon as I get there.

Jens Nordlunde · 9th August 2016, 10:26 PM

I know where my limits are, in both ends of the scala - and I have known for a very long time, but I wont tell :-).

Mercenary · 14th August 2016, 06:36 PM

If compared the number of hunts and battles in the history of India (both South and North), the answer will be obvious

Jens Nordlunde · 14th August 2016, 07:04 PM

Yes, but you must remember that they, in the south, hardly if ever showed battle scenes.

Mercenary · 14th August 2016, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Yes, but you must remember that they, in the south, hardly if ever showed battle scenes.

Many thanks. Of course. I know only TWO battle scenes with using jamdhar. However I'm sure that hunting was weekly or monthly, but battles weren't.

Jens Nordlunde · 14th August 2016, 10:18 PM

You are more tham welcome, but I am afraid that you dont see the point, to my opinoin, you see your own point, but Ariel asked if these katars were only used for hunting.
So when you show a lot of hunting scenes where the katar is used, you dont see the point, and what more is, you dont even try to research if they were used for fighting as well.
I have said what I need to say on this thread, so I will leave you to teach the interested members how it really was.

ariel · 15th August 2016, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

If compared the number of hunts and battles in the history of India (both South and North), the answer will be obvious

The problem with this assertion is that you do not know the number of tiger hunts ( unless you can guess-timate them as above) and the number of military confrontations large and small, recorded and unrecorded, number of warriors involved, number of iconographic sources, their emphasis on the specific use of katars etc, etc, etc.

There are multiple iconographic sources of warriors armed with katars. Do you suggest they carried them into battle to protect themselves against tigers?

One can just as well posit that EVERY glorious occasion of a Rajah dispatching a tiger with katar was immediately immortalized in a miniature:-)))

mariusgmioc · 15th August 2016, 10:37 AM

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One can just as well posit that EVERY glorious occasion of a Rajah dispatching a tiger with katar was immediately immortalized in a miniature:-)))

Killing a tiger with a Katar?!

Unless one is "Chuck Norris" ... or the tiger is half dead, that belongs to legend, not reality!

Even a severely wounded tiger could easily kill an approaching human, unless the tiger is bound and immobilized.

How many stories about Rajas being killed by tigers are there?!

How many stories/depictions of glorious Rajas killing strong and healthy tigers, single handedly and without suffering the slightest scratch are there?!

So, how realistic all these sories/depictions are?!

Jens Nordlunde · 15th August 2016, 04:07 PM

Mercenary, you did not offend me, but I can add anything to what I have already written.
There are katar on which are written that they can penetrate the head of an elephant. This does, however, not mean, that they were used for penetrating heads of elephants.
I still believe, that katars with hunting scenes on the blade were used for hunting, but I also believe that they were also used in other connections.

Roland_M · 15th August 2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Killing a tiger with a Katar?!

Unless one is "Chuck Norris" ... or the tiger is half dead, that belongs to legend, not reality!

Hi Marius,
I have an official story from Indonesia from two guys which were sentenced to death and fight against a tiger with a Keris as a kind of last chance. They had Keris with broken tips and one guy was mauled after a few minutes but the other one was fighting for more than one and a half hour. He was able to kill the tiger by constantly attacking his ears and eyes.
The winner became a high member of the government.

Roland

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th August 2016, 02:51 AM

This would hurt....

ariel · 17th August 2016, 03:35 AM

Yup...

His groin must have been sore for weeks:-)

14th August 2016, 06:36 PM	#4
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 430	If compared the number of hunts and battles in the history of India (both South and North), the answer will be obvious Attached Images

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Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	You are more tham welcome, but I am afraid that you dont see the point, to my opinoin, you see your own point, but Ariel asked if these katars were only used for hunting. So when you show a lot of hunting scenes where the katar is used, you dont see the point, and what more is, you dont even try to research if they were used for fighting as well. I have said what I need to say on this thread, so I will leave you to teach the interested members how it really was. Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 14th August 2016 at 10:37 PM.

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Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This would hurt.... Attached Images

9th August 2016, 07:17 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Marius, Where would you say stop - no, no, no:-):-)? We all have our limits, where is yours?

9th August 2016, 10:26 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I know where my limits are, in both ends of the scala - and I have known for a very long time, but I wont tell :-).

14th August 2016, 07:04 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes, but you must remember that they, in the south, hardly if ever showed battle scenes.

15th August 2016, 04:07 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Mercenary, you did not offend me, but I can add anything to what I have already written. There are katar on which are written that they can penetrate the head of an elephant. This does, however, not mean, that they were used for penetrating heads of elephants. I still believe, that katars with hunting scenes on the blade were used for hunting, but I also believe that they were also used in other connections.

17th August 2016, 03:35 AM	#13
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Yup... His groin must have been sore for weeks:-)