naga keris with pamor miring

mariusgmioc · 29th July 2016, 10:44 AM

Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris.

PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

satsujinken · 29th July 2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris.

PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

hahahahaha ... good eye !!

and may you elaborate why you think so ?

mariusgmioc · 29th July 2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by satsujinken

hahahahaha ... good eye !!

and may you elaborate why you think so ?

The high relief "pamor" or whatever it is called is the result of very modern processing... I believe.

Also about everything else looks very similar to the very recent Kerises I saw this year in Indonesia. And some of them were obviously artificially aged.

For example the metal sheath cover looks like being made of pressed & aged aluminium foil attempting to look like silver.

Rafngard · 29th July 2016, 04:19 PM

Despite being recent, the high-relief pamor is kind of a cool effect.

Thanks,
Leif

Rick · 29th July 2016, 04:38 PM

More miring...

I'm wondering if OP's keris has a core, or if it's just pamor material?

A. G. Maisey · 29th July 2016, 11:01 PM

Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality.

Same goes for the wrongko.

Mendak? ugh!

Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either.

Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core.

All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort.

Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely.

If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable.

If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable.

Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.

David · 30th July 2016, 05:41 AM

I agree with Alan on this one regarding the dhapur. I have seen similar "uneven" luk dhapurs and in fact have an example (albeit a contemporary version) of such luk spacing in my own collection.
While i appreciate the effort artistically to some extent i am not particularly fond of the apparent lack of a core. While, as Alan points out, some blades such as buntel mayat tend to be coreless, this does not seem to be one where i would expect or desire a lack of a core.
But yes, this is most certainly modern production. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.

29th July 2016, 04:19 PM	#4
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 348	Maybe new, but still cool Despite being recent, the high-relief pamor is kind of a cool effect. Thanks, Leif

29th July 2016, 04:38 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	More miring... I'm wondering if OP's keris has a core, or if it's just pamor material? Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 29th July 2016 at 05:32 PM.

29th July 2016, 10:44 AM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris. PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

29th July 2016, 11:01 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality. Same goes for the wrongko. Mendak? ugh! Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either. Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core. All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort. Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely. If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable. If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable. Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.

30th July 2016, 05:41 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I agree with Alan on this one regarding the dhapur. I have seen similar "uneven" luk dhapurs and in fact have an example (albeit a contemporary version) of such luk spacing in my own collection. While i appreciate the effort artistically to some extent i am not particularly fond of the apparent lack of a core. While, as Alan points out, some blades such as buntel mayat tend to be coreless, this does not seem to be one where i would expect or desire a lack of a core. But yes, this is most certainly modern production. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.