Pandur saber

kronckew · 25th July 2016, 09:38 AM

clarabelle would be pronounced klarabela, or pretty near if you include the silent 'e' USA version which is normally pronounced in european languages.
of course the 'L' 'mistook' makes all the difference.

(people always leave off the 'e' in my surname which is pronounced (roughly) as krroonkeh with a soft short 'e' sound at the end, not kronk. the w is for my given name 'wayne' - i was "kroncke, w" for a long while in the military. computers don't like the comma in user names tho, and US military and US computers, as well as US residents generally have no idea what an umlaut is, so they leave it off.

regards,

Wayne Kröncke

p.s. - now that the OP thinks we are completely nuts, mebbe he'll post a picture of the carabelle, er, karabela.

Jim McDougall · 25th July 2016, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

clarabelle would be pronounced klarabela, or pretty near if you include the silent 'e' USA version which is normally pronounced in european languages.
of course the 'L' 'mistook' makes all the difference.

(people always leave off the 'e' in my surname which is pronounced (roughly) as krroonkeh with a soft short 'e' sound at the end, not kronk. the w is for my given name 'wayne' - i was "kroncke, w" for a long while in the military. computers don't like the comma in user names tho, and US military and US computers, as well as US residents generally have no idea what an umlaut is, so they leave it off.

regards,

Wayne Kröncke

p.s. - now that the OP thinks we are completely nuts, mebbe he'll post a picture of the carabelle, er, karabela.

Wayne, your clever wit and humor is priceless!!!!! Outstanding pun.
Also, thank you for the explanation on your most intriguing name, and insight into these linguistic phenomena......a pet topic of mine.

So we see, the pandur swords were often 'klarabella' !!!!

On that note, years ago a close friend and I while studying this topic used to say 'pandurs' ????.....I thought them was bears!!!!

kronckew · 25th July 2016, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

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On that note, years ago a close friend and I while studying this topic used to say 'pandurs' ????.....I thought them was bears!!!!

yes, they be black & white pandur bars...i think this (attached) one's mum was foollin' around with a griz tho.

i also seem to recall frankie avalon (attached too) wearing a pandur fur cap in 'the alamo' - 1960. black with a nice white stripe down the middle.

fernando · 26th July 2016, 03:37 PM

Let them children play

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Jim McDougall · 26th July 2016, 03:47 PM

OK, back to skeerin' people!

Jim McDougall · 3rd August 2016, 05:43 PM

Well it seems that this most interesting topic, that of the mysterious 'pandours' of Europe, and their subsequent influence on European armies in the second half of the 18th century and beyond, has come up with an unmounted sword blade just posted by K Maddock.

While I did not mention that on the thread as yet, I wanted to note that although this topic brought some levity here, it is a most serious and fascinating subject in military history.

The blade he has posted has an etched military style motif of likely Napoleonic period, and the motif carries a figure of the mid 18th c. resembling pandour styles.

Check it out.

kronckew · 3rd August 2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Well it seems that this most interesting topic, that of the mysterious 'pandours' of Europe, and their subsequent influence on European armies in the second half of the 18th century and beyond, has come up with an unmounted sword blade just posted by K Maddock.

While I did not mention that on the thread as yet, I wanted to note that although this topic brought some levity here, it is a most serious and fascinating subject in military history.

The blade he has posted has an etched military style motif of likely Napoleonic period, and the motif carries a figure of the mid 18th c. resembling pandour styles.

Check it out.

link?

25th July 2016, 09:38 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	clarabelle would be pronounced klarabela, or pretty near if you include the silent 'e' USA version which is normally pronounced in european languages. of course the 'L' 'mistook' makes all the difference. (people always leave off the 'e' in my surname which is pronounced (roughly) as krroonkeh with a soft short 'e' sound at the end, not kronk. the w is for my given name 'wayne' - i was "kroncke, w" for a long while in the military. computers don't like the comma in user names tho, and US military and US computers, as well as US residents generally have no idea what an umlaut is, so they leave it off. regards, Wayne Kröncke p.s. - now that the OP thinks we are completely nuts, mebbe he'll post a picture of the carabelle, er, karabela. Last edited by kronckew; 25th July 2016 at 10:07 AM.

26th July 2016, 03:37 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Let them children play .

26th July 2016, 03:47 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	OK, back to skeerin' people!

3rd August 2016, 05:43 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	Well it seems that this most interesting topic, that of the mysterious 'pandours' of Europe, and their subsequent influence on European armies in the second half of the 18th century and beyond, has come up with an unmounted sword blade just posted by K Maddock. While I did not mention that on the thread as yet, I wanted to note that although this topic brought some levity here, it is a most serious and fascinating subject in military history. The blade he has posted has an etched military style motif of likely Napoleonic period, and the motif carries a figure of the mid 18th c. resembling pandour styles. Check it out.