Ear dagger

ulfberth · 19th June 2016, 09:59 AM

Hello Messia,
Dear All,

I have taken some detailed pictures of the pitting of this dagger and added a sword pommel , that has in my view has the same kind of pitting.
Does anyone have a different view or do we see similar pitting in all pics.
Just added a blade with different more profound pitting.

Thanks in advance for your comments

Ulfberth

Reventlov · 19th June 2016, 04:12 PM

A similar mark is also reported to be on a 17th century rapier and the breastplate of a Maximilian armour, both from the former collection of Karl Gimbel. A strange assortment...

Sajen · 20th June 2016, 09:07 AM

Here is one I have in my picture archive. I think that the one in question is an original antique piece and very nice!

Regards,
Detlef

ariel · 20th June 2016, 01:30 PM

The really old ones were orders of magnitude more elaborate and artistic.
The one in question IMHO is most likely early-mid 20 century. Except for some pitting it has no signs of age. Might have been kept un-oiled: corrosion sets fast.

Sajen · 20th June 2016, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

The really old ones were orders of magnitude more elaborate and artistic.
The one in question IMHO is most likely early-mid 20 century. Except for some pitting it has no signs of age. Might have been kept un-oiled: corrosion sets fast.

Hello Ariel,

I am by far not an expert by this daggers but the attached ivory at the ears look very old to my eyes and not like 20 century ivory. And look at the piece in up from post #5 Roland has posted, this piece isn't as well not very elaborate and artistic but since it seems to be a museum piece clearly antique.

Regards,
Detlef

ariel · 20th June 2016, 03:14 PM

OK, let's date it to the 19th century:-)

Even then such dagger would be a replica.
The real ones were out of commission by the 16th century, but replicas were made all the time.
https://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=22689

I am with Roland.

Timo Nieminen · 20th June 2016, 09:52 PM

When did acid-etching such as on this dagger start being used to decorate weapons like this?

Common in the 19th century for sure. I have 19th century blades with similar corrosion, so I think 19th century replica fits the appearance.

19th June 2016, 09:59 AM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 413	Hello Messia, Dear All, I have taken some detailed pictures of the pitting of this dagger and added a sword pommel , that has in my view has the same kind of pitting. Does anyone have a different view or do we see similar pitting in all pics. Just added a blade with different more profound pitting. Thanks in advance for your comments Ulfberth Attached Images Last edited by ulfberth; 19th June 2016 at 10:24 AM.

19th June 2016, 04:12 PM	#2
Reventlov Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 138	A similar mark is also reported to be on a 17th century rapier and the breastplate of a Maximilian armour, both from the former collection of Karl Gimbel. A strange assortment... Attached Images

20th June 2016, 09:07 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Here is one I have in my picture archive. I think that the one in question is an original antique piece and very nice! Regards, Detlef Attached Images

20th June 2016, 01:30 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The really old ones were orders of magnitude more elaborate and artistic. The one in question IMHO is most likely early-mid 20 century. Except for some pitting it has no signs of age. Might have been kept un-oiled: corrosion sets fast.

20th June 2016, 03:14 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	OK, let's date it to the 19th century:-) Even then such dagger would be a replica. The real ones were out of commission by the 16th century, but replicas were made all the time. https://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=22689 I am with Roland.

20th June 2016, 09:52 PM	#7
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	When did acid-etching such as on this dagger start being used to decorate weapons like this? Common in the 19th century for sure. I have 19th century blades with similar corrosion, so I think 19th century replica fits the appearance.