Torador once again.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 5th June 2016, 10:51 AM

See http://gungearart.tumblr.com/post/70...ador-matchlock for more Torador examples and below...

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 5th June 2016, 10:59 AM

This is interesting as being a different shaped butt... not plank shaped but round by comparison;
Summary

Indian matchlock musket or Toradar.

One of a collection of weapons seized from mutineers during the Indian Mutiny (1857-1859), and subsequently donated to the Melbourne Public Library in 1860 by Earl Charles Canning, Governor-General of India.
Physical Description

Cal. .625 in., smooth bore barrel 1054 mm long, ornamental grooves. Pan on right hand side, V notch rear sight. Fully stocked, secured to barrel by 5 bands, ramrod missing, iron trigger & 2 sling swivels. Straight stock with ornamental brass mounts, serpentine protrudes from piece of shaped bone attached to top of stock.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 5th June 2016, 11:34 AM

So what is the difference between an Indian Torador and an Indian Camel gun The Rifle style or shoulder fired type) ? Is it only the Butt??

For a massive example of the Camel gun see http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/55/lid/30
See below for a mixture of both types for comparison. The top picture has an odd man out in what looks like Brown Bess configuration.

rickystl · 5th June 2016, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

This is interesting as being a different shaped butt... not plank shaped but round by comparison;
Summary

Indian matchlock musket or Toradar.

One of a collection of weapons seized from mutineers during the Indian Mutiny (1857-1859), and subsequently donated to the Melbourne Public Library in 1860 by Earl Charles Canning, Governor-General of India.
Physical Description

Cal. .625 in., smooth bore barrel 1054 mm long, ornamental grooves. Pan on right hand side, V notch rear sight. Fully stocked, secured to barrel by 5 bands, ramrod missing, iron trigger & 2 sling swivels. Straight stock with ornamental brass mounts, serpentine protrudes from piece of shaped bone attached to top of stock.

Yes, round rather than plank style. And very straight. Closer to what you would find on Persian and Caucasion long guns. First one I've seen. Very interesting.
Rick.

Pukka Bundook · 5th June 2016, 09:11 PM

Rick,
Yes, Sarah is using the Snider. :-)

Ibrahiim,

I have a feeling that the torador you show in post #16 above, has had the decoration added recently. It looks newer than the arm. I had seen this one prior to this and it had me wondering!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th June 2016, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Rick,
Yes, Sarah is using the Snider. :-)

Ibrahiim,

I have a feeling that the torador you show in post #16 above, has had the decoration added recently. It looks newer than the arm. I had seen this one prior to this and it had me wondering!

Pukka Bundook,

There is always the chance of that ... difficult to tell from photos but in fact nothing to stop someone having the work done later or to enhance a trusted weapon I suppose... The style and quality look worthy enough ... and enhance the weapon greatly...So we could say it's a Pukka Bundook

Pukka Bundook · 16th June 2016, 05:15 AM

Yes we could indeed, Ibrahiim!

I have a few photos saved of toradors with the rounded buttstock, or a rounded buttplate on a 5-sided stock. Less common by far than the usual shape!

The one you show from the Indian Mutiny is a very handsome arm!!

Richard.

Pukka Bundook · 28th January 2017, 08:46 PM

Pardon for bringing up an old thread, but I have recently received this torador, though purchased last year!

The reason for bringing this to light again, is to enquire about a couple of things;
The stock , as in many Indian toradors, is joined in the fore-end.
This makes it a two-piece stock. Should both halves be glued together when I have the other repairs completed?...or, did they rely on bands or bindings to hold the foremost part snugly in place?

I have the buttstock glued back together through the bade break, but as the screws holding the parts together were not tight and the parts could fridge a little, there will be some further 'skin grafts' needed.
The bore is Very good, so will make a shooter when all repaired, And, there is no large breech cavity as we so often find on these arms! The last inch is slightly tighter than the rest of the bore, so Much easier to work with.

Will show photos of this in another thread.

Any further guidance /advice much appreciated.

Richard.

5th June 2016, 10:59 AM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This is interesting as being a different shaped butt... not plank shaped but round by comparison; Summary Indian matchlock musket or Toradar. One of a collection of weapons seized from mutineers during the Indian Mutiny (1857-1859), and subsequently donated to the Melbourne Public Library in 1860 by Earl Charles Canning, Governor-General of India. Physical Description Cal. .625 in., smooth bore barrel 1054 mm long, ornamental grooves. Pan on right hand side, V notch rear sight. Fully stocked, secured to barrel by 5 bands, ramrod missing, iron trigger & 2 sling swivels. Straight stock with ornamental brass mounts, serpentine protrudes from piece of shaped bone attached to top of stock. Attached Images

5th June 2016, 11:34 AM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	So what is the difference between an Indian Torador and an Indian Camel gun The Rifle style or shoulder fired type) ? Is it only the Butt?? For a massive example of the Camel gun see http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/55/lid/30 See below for a mixture of both types for comparison. The top picture has an odd man out in what looks like Brown Bess configuration. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 5th June 2016 at 12:42 PM.

5th June 2016, 10:51 AM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	See http://gungearart.tumblr.com/post/70...ador-matchlock for more Torador examples and below... Attached Images

5th June 2016, 09:11 PM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Rick, Yes, Sarah is using the Snider. :-) Ibrahiim, I have a feeling that the torador you show in post #16 above, has had the decoration added recently. It looks newer than the arm. I had seen this one prior to this and it had me wondering!

16th June 2016, 05:15 AM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Yes we could indeed, Ibrahiim! I have a few photos saved of toradors with the rounded buttstock, or a rounded buttplate on a 5-sided stock. Less common by far than the usual shape! The one you show from the Indian Mutiny is a very handsome arm!! Richard.

28th January 2017, 08:46 PM	#8
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Pardon for bringing up an old thread, but I have recently received this torador, though purchased last year! The reason for bringing this to light again, is to enquire about a couple of things; The stock , as in many Indian toradors, is joined in the fore-end. This makes it a two-piece stock. Should both halves be glued together when I have the other repairs completed?...or, did they rely on bands or bindings to hold the foremost part snugly in place? I have the buttstock glued back together through the bade break, but as the screws holding the parts together were not tight and the parts could fridge a little, there will be some further 'skin grafts' needed. The bore is Very good, so will make a shooter when all repaired, And, there is no large breech cavity as we so often find on these arms! The last inch is slightly tighter than the rest of the bore, so Much easier to work with. Will show photos of this in another thread. Any further guidance /advice much appreciated. Richard.