French musket

fernando · 24th May 2016, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKelly

... My thought is that it was made some time between 1680 and 1720...

So early, James ?

JamesKelly · 25th May 2016, 03:18 AM

Yeah, Fernando, that was stretching it

I think it French as the trigger guard and side plate look like what we borrowed from them after our revolution

It used a socket bayonet, so I imagine it should be post-1705 or so.

I think it is about the time that the French were more or less standardizing their military weapons. I have the impression this was a process not an immediate change. I suppose this musket is probably to no one's standard. It retains the octagon-round barrel, round-face lock & single bridle of earlier guns..

Leaving for Georgia (the US state) tomorrow morning. I'll look through another book or so later on next week. Not sure I will take the chance of removing the barrel. I have found that Old Stuff tends to break.

corrado26 · 25th May 2016, 07:40 AM

I think that the lock was made in the German town of SUHL, at least the marking on the inside is of SUHL origine. The tumbler is covered by a bridle what shows that this lock is far later as you assume, certainly not made about 1680! It would be really very helpful to know the markings of the barrel's underside
corrado26

Fernando K · 25th May 2016, 12:38 PM

Hello

Marcel Baldet in "Les Armes a Feu", brings a panoply, the Musee de la Armee, as a light rifle official and gentle-hommes cadets.

Fernando K

rickystl · 28th May 2016, 04:59 PM

Hmmm....what a mystery. The butt stock design reminds me of someting that escapes me at the moment. Are the mounts all iron or brass or a combination?
Rick.

JamesKelly · 20th June 2016, 01:24 AM

Ahh, Mr Corrado26 so my "French" musket was likely made in Suhl? Might you share the reference you use for identifying this mark?

Regardless, thank you sir, and thank all of you for your comments.

One of the many things I learn on this site is how little I know. Can't say as I enjoy having this pointed out, but . . .

Markings under the barrel would be interesting. However on close examination various splinters, including about some of the pins, have been filled in. I prefer not to risk further splintering by driving out those pins.

Also I think the side plate may have been replaced with some thin 20th century sheet steel.

All of the mountings are iron, no brass at all. The butt stock shape is one with which I am unfamiliar.

I will investigate the Marcel Baudet work.

25th May 2016, 03:18 AM	#2
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Yeah, Fernando, that was stretching it I think it French as the trigger guard and side plate look like what we borrowed from them after our revolution It used a socket bayonet, so I imagine it should be post-1705 or so. I think it is about the time that the French were more or less standardizing their military weapons. I have the impression this was a process not an immediate change. I suppose this musket is probably to no one's standard. It retains the octagon-round barrel, round-face lock & single bridle of earlier guns.. Leaving for Georgia (the US state) tomorrow morning. I'll look through another book or so later on next week. Not sure I will take the chance of removing the barrel. I have found that Old Stuff tends to break.

25th May 2016, 07:40 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I think that the lock was made in the German town of SUHL, at least the marking on the inside is of SUHL origine. The tumbler is covered by a bridle what shows that this lock is far later as you assume, certainly not made about 1680! It would be really very helpful to know the markings of the barrel's underside corrado26

25th May 2016, 12:38 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello Marcel Baldet in "Les Armes a Feu", brings a panoply, the Musee de la Armee, as a light rifle official and gentle-hommes cadets. Fernando K

28th May 2016, 04:59 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hmmm....what a mystery. The butt stock design reminds me of someting that escapes me at the moment. Are the mounts all iron or brass or a combination? Rick.

20th June 2016, 01:24 AM	#6
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Ahh, Mr Corrado26 so my "French" musket was likely made in Suhl? Might you share the reference you use for identifying this mark? Regardless, thank you sir, and thank all of you for your comments. One of the many things I learn on this site is how little I know. Can't say as I enjoy having this pointed out, but . . . Markings under the barrel would be interesting. However on close examination various splinters, including about some of the pins, have been filled in. I prefer not to risk further splintering by driving out those pins. Also I think the side plate may have been replaced with some thin 20th century sheet steel. All of the mountings are iron, no brass at all. The butt stock shape is one with which I am unfamiliar. I will investigate the Marcel Baudet work.