Destroying artwork

kai · 19th May 2016, 03:03 AM

Hello Ariel,

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I just looked briefly at the recent Czerny's catalogue: plenty of ivory, openly defined as such. If our paranoia is so real, how will they send it to the overseas customers? Why were they braver ( or less prudent) than Bonhams?

International auction houses (including Bonhams) continue to offer ivory pieces; they follow CITES procedures and can legally send items with the necessary papers to overseas customers. However, auctioned/traded African elephants' ivory can't enter nor leave the US due to self-imposed current legislation; also Bonhams SF will probably have to stop auctioning it when California laws change in July AFAIK.

I don't think we can blame Bonhams UK: From what I understand (from admittedly very limited info), this vandalism happened in transit and Bonhams just received the pieces as auctioned; they maybe should have declined to auction them but that is probably asking too much of a commercial enterprise.

At the very least, transferring these pieces across state borders was a really bad decision of the consignee; since this appears to have been a professional, it's hard to conceive this as anything but blatant ignorance and possibly greed. Once held up in transit, I'm not sure wether there even was the alternative option of donating the pieces to a museum rather than mutilating them. Maybe even no-one cared to consider/suggest such a move.

Regards,
Kai

kai · 19th May 2016, 03:21 AM

Just re-tweeting from page 1:
https://www.antiquestradegazette.com...ntiques-in-us/

estcrh · 21st June 2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Just re-tweeting from page 1:
https://www.antiquestradegazette.com...ntiques-in-us/

How is this helping save elephants?

VANDOO · 21st June 2016, 03:04 PM

Next we will ban and destroy all types of wood to save the endangered trees. Stupid is as Stupid does is the reason why. It's not about saving anything its more about destroying things.

drac2k · 28th June 2016, 02:13 PM

Ironic that you should mention wood, in light of the fines that the despicable corporate giant Gibson Guitars had leveled against them.A $300,000 fine, a forced donation of $50,000 to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation and the forfeiture of wood valued at $261,844; I guess they needed tinder to get the fire started on all of the confiscated ivory.
Gibson Guitar Co. CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stated that they settled because it would have cost millions and taken years to resolve in court.
I wonder how easy it would be for an American to get his name off of a "No Fly List ?"

Rick · 28th June 2016, 03:24 PM

Thank God I ripped up the Brazilian Mahogany covering my decks and replaced the wood with Azek plastic decking!

drac2k · 28th June 2016, 04:09 PM

That may be worse.Isn't that an oil based product, thus contributing to corporate greed, global warming and stealing the life force from Mother Gaia !

Roland_M · 30th June 2016, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

How is this helping save elephants?

It's more for the own guilty conscience than for the elephants.

What a world, we are destroying unique artworks to save elephants, which are died 100 years ago.

We destroy old, valuable and rare artworks to save the environment and at the same time we have three cars or more for one family.

Roland

19th May 2016, 03:21 AM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Just re-tweeting from page 1: https://www.antiquestradegazette.com...ntiques-in-us/

21st June 2016, 03:04 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	Next we will ban and destroy all types of wood to save the endangered trees. Stupid is as Stupid does is the reason why. It's not about saving anything its more about destroying things.

28th June 2016, 02:13 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Ironic that you should mention wood, in light of the fines that the despicable corporate giant Gibson Guitars had leveled against them.A $300,000 fine, a forced donation of $50,000 to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation and the forfeiture of wood valued at $261,844; I guess they needed tinder to get the fire started on all of the confiscated ivory. Gibson Guitar Co. CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stated that they settled because it would have cost millions and taken years to resolve in court. I wonder how easy it would be for an American to get his name off of a "No Fly List ?"

28th June 2016, 03:24 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Thank God I ripped up the Brazilian Mahogany covering my decks and replaced the wood with Azek plastic decking!

28th June 2016, 04:09 PM	#7
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	That may be worse.Isn't that an oil based product, thus contributing to corporate greed, global warming and stealing the life force from Mother Gaia !