Moro Budiak, battlefield damage?

[kino]

I can't tell if it's laminated or not. The hot water test revealed nothing.

The brass mounts and bands really adds to the spear.


It could have been set up for target practice, judging where it was struck almost at the middle and at near the widest section of the blade but adding to drac2k's theory, during target practice it's tempting to keep shooting until the target is destroyed whether the target be paper, metal man, fruit or household appliances.

[David]

Drac, the only reason i questioned you was because you stated that you had "no doubt". Obviously that was a bit of an exaggeration. Glad we could clear that up.

[drac2k]

Not a problem, as I myself tend to question everything; it drives my wife crazy!When one looks at how the fearless Moro warriors fought almost to the last man, such as in the first battle of Bud Dajo, where hundreds were killed in hand to hand combat, I still have "no doubt," as to how this spear was damaged!

[Sajen]

Agree with the others, very nice mounts! And a great piece of history and a good decision to keep it in this state.

Regards,
Detlef

[ariel]

Can one estimate the caliber of the bullet and check whether it conforms to the ones in use at that time?
( I probably saw one episode of " NCIS Files" too many :-)))

[David]

Originally Posted by drac2k

... I still have "no doubt," as to how this spear was damaged!

Just for myself, i think it is my responsibility as a custodian of such pieces of history to always have doubt of such stories when no provenance is available to make such claims, especially in cases where the reason for the damage has the ability to affect the perceived value of the weapon in the collector's market. We love to attach all kinds of stories of the gory glory days of war to these Moro pieces and seem to attach more value to weapons we are sure drew the most amount of blood. Frankly i don't think it is anymore likely that this spear was damaged in battle than in target practice. It is indeed a question we can never answer with any assurance. The one thing i do have no doubt about is that the battle story will bring a higher price for this spear than the target practice story.

[drac2k]

Some possible rounds would be from a Krag rifle .30-40, M1903 Springfield rifle .30-03,M1895 Colt Browning machine gun .30-40, Spanish Mauser 1893 7mm(possible friendly fire),38 and 45 cal handgun fire, possible but doubtful(since the indentation was round), shrapnel from bombardment to mention a few.

[ariel]

Originally Posted by David

Just for myself, i think it is my responsibility as a custodian of such pieces of history to always have doubt of such stories when no provenance is available to make such claims, especially in cases where the reason for the damage has the ability to affect the perceived value of the weapon in the collector's market. We love to attach all kinds of stories of the gory glory days of war to these Moro pieces and seem to attach more value to weapons we are sure drew the most amount of blood. Frankly i don't think it is anymore likely that this spear was damaged in battle than in target practice. It is indeed a question we can never answer with any assurance. The one thing i do have no doubt about is that the battle story will bring a higher price for this spear than the target practice story.

Agree. Buy the sword, not the story.

[kino]

This spear neither came with a story nor am I attaching one to it.

[David]

Originally Posted by kino

This spear neither came with a story nor am I attaching one to it.

I certainly wasn't suggesting you were Kino, simply responding to what seems like a general consensus of members who "want to believe".

[Battara]

Originally Posted by kino

This spear neither came with a story nor am I attaching one to it.

Oh sure Kino go ahead.............everyone else is doing it.