Russian Khyber knife

mariusgmioc · 17th April 2016, 12:25 PM

Faking such a detailed stamp, and to this level of quality is not an easy task.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 12:36 PM

The stamp is not very neat . If we compare with the authentic

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 06:13 PM

I think soon we can expect many more items with stamps Zlatoust: Afghan Khyber, Ethiopian Gurade Sword, Sudanese Kaskara Sword....

By the way, Russian collectors of weapons from Russia confirmed that a stamp - modern.

ariel · 17th April 2016, 09:17 PM

This stamp was used by Zlatoust Weapon Factory between 1890's and 1917.
Source http://www.imha.ru/1144531224-proizv...l#.VxPtK_krK01

Here are examples.
Minor variations are expected: no stamping device would survive forever.
The fact that somebody in today's Russia produced a copy proves only one thing: Russian collectors are paranoid not for nothing; they are bombarded with fakes.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 10:27 PM

Need to have serious problems with vision, not to see the difference in these stamps))))

ariel · 18th April 2016, 02:07 AM

OK, folks, let's ignore the snarks etc.

I repeat my question: does anyone here know of any other example of a Khyber or any other 19th century Afghani bladed weapon with Russian stamps? I know about British and, likely, German blades for their short swords/sabers, but nothing Russian.
Is it possible that Afghani military was supplied by both sides of the Great Game?

AJ1356 · 18th April 2016, 03:25 AM

It is quite possible, I think king Abdul Rahman was in Russia before coming to power, or something like that. My history is a bit fuzzy right now. I know later on Soviet made weapons were the norm in Afghan army, post WWII.

mahratt · 18th April 2016, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I know about British and, likely, German blades for their short swords/sabers,

It is not difficult to give examples of short swords?

17th April 2016, 06:13 PM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I think soon we can expect many more items with stamps Zlatoust: Afghan Khyber, Ethiopian Gurade Sword, Sudanese Kaskara Sword.... By the way, Russian collectors of weapons from Russia confirmed that a stamp - modern. Attached Images

17th April 2016, 09:17 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This stamp was used by Zlatoust Weapon Factory between 1890's and 1917. Source http://www.imha.ru/1144531224-proizv...l#.VxPtK_krK01 Here are examples. Minor variations are expected: no stamping device would survive forever. The fact that somebody in today's Russia produced a copy proves only one thing: Russian collectors are paranoid not for nothing; they are bombarded with fakes. Attached Images

17th April 2016, 10:27 PM	#5
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Need to have serious problems with vision, not to see the difference in these stamps)))) Attached Images

18th April 2016, 02:07 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	OK, folks, let's ignore the snarks etc. I repeat my question: does anyone here know of any other example of a Khyber or any other 19th century Afghani bladed weapon with Russian stamps? I know about British and, likely, German blades for their short swords/sabers, but nothing Russian. Is it possible that Afghani military was supplied by both sides of the Great Game? Last edited by ariel; 18th April 2016 at 03:00 AM.

17th April 2016, 12:25 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Faking such a detailed stamp, and to this level of quality is not an easy task.

17th April 2016, 12:36 PM	#2
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	The stamp is not very neat . If we compare with the authentic

18th April 2016, 03:25 AM	#7
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	It is quite possible, I think king Abdul Rahman was in Russia before coming to power, or something like that. My history is a bit fuzzy right now. I know later on Soviet made weapons were the norm in Afghan army, post WWII.