Kora

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Congratulation for the brilliant acquisition!

Now that's a bargain!

Both shields and sword seem to be Indian to me.

So few authentic items that we congratulate the other participants with the items that were made in the late 19th - early 20th centuries as souvenirs for the Europeans?

mariusgmioc · 17th April 2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

So few authentic items that we congratulate the other participants with the items that were made in the late 19th - early 20th centuries as souvenirs for the Europeans?

Hmmm... you might be right...

ariel · 17th April 2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

So few authentic items that we congratulate the other participants with the items that were made in the late 19th - early 20th centuries as souvenirs for the Europeans?

Why the sarcasm?

A Forumite showed pics, honestly described the story and politely requested help.

A condescending snark was not asked for and was not deserved.

ariel · 17th April 2016, 01:06 PM

Panzerraptor,
These items date from the end of 19 to the beginning of 20 century. They are ceremonial. They might have been produced as tourist items, but Oliver Pinchot in his book of the late R. Wagner collection had shown a khanda with very similar decorations. In his comment, items of such decorative abundance were produced for the Dehli durbars ( 1877,1903,1911), all-India assemblies at the coronations of British Kings, them being also The Emperors of India. Every Rajah brought a retinue armed to the teeth with very "show-y" weapons. Theatrical? Historical? Depends on the point of view of a collector.

Unless you are specifically interested in the battle-proven weapons, these shields and kora reflect prevailing trends in Indian arms culture of that time.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Why the sarcasm?

A Forumite showed pics, honestly described the story and politely requested help.

A condescending snark was not asked for and was not deserved.

My question (in any case not sarcasm) was not addressed to the author of the topic. My question to participants who began to admire an item that is a souvenir.

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Originally Posted by ariel

These items date from the end of 19 to the beginning of 20 century. They are ceremonial. They might have been produced as tourist items, but Oliver Pinchot in his book of the late R. Wagner collection had shown a khanda with very similar decorations. In his comment, items of such decorative abundance were produced for the Dehli durbars ( 1877,1903,1911), all-India assemblies at the coronations of British Kings, them being also The Emperors of India. Every Rajah brought a retinue armed to the teeth with very "show-y" weapons. Theatrical? Historical? Depends on the point of view of a collector.

Unless you are specifically interested in the battle-proven weapons, these shields and kora reflect prevailing trends in Indian arms culture of that time.

I'm surprised how can compare the elegant sword from the collection of Wagner and rough souvenir sword that we are discussing.

estcrh · 17th April 2016, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

My question (in any case not sarcasm) was not addressed to the author of the topic. My question to participants who began to admire an item that is a souvenir.

I'm surprised how can compare the elegant sword from the collection of Wagner and rough souvenir sword that we are discussing.

You find these crudely decorated weapons made with flat sheet type metal in the way of swords, daggers and axe heads etc.

ariel · 17th April 2016, 07:10 PM

Erroneously I mentioned khanda. Sorry.
I meant # 4-21.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 07:50 PM

Tegha number 4-21, a little closer to the subject under discussion.
But:
1) and it is much more elegant, than the subject discussion.
2) I would love to see photos of the Hindu with such Tegha in the Durbar.

And in Book can write anything you like

In Russia we have a saying: "Paper endure all" .... I prefer facts rather than captions for pictures in the album for a coffee table.

ariel · 17th April 2016, 08:31 PM

I wish there were more "coffee table albums" like that...

I tend to respect Oliver Pinchot's opinions. Obviously you do not. To each his own. Pity you cannot comprehend his wise and nuanced insights: you might have changed your mind.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 08:58 PM

Again, I see only the words ... No photo Hindu on Durbar with the same sword..... But I'm not surprised)))

Jim McDougall · 17th April 2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I wish there were more "coffee table albums" like that...

I tend to respect Oliver Pinchot's opinions. Obviously you do not. To each his own. Pity you cannot comprehend his wise and nuanced insights: you might have changed your mind.

Very well said Ariel!!! and I am with you 150% re: Oliver !!!

estcrh · 17th April 2016, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Erroneously I mentioned khanda. Sorry.
I meant # 4-21.

Is there a picture of this one?

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Is there a picture of this one?

Here is the this sword.

17th April 2016, 07:50 PM	#8
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Tegha number 4-21, a little closer to the subject under discussion. But: 1) and it is much more elegant, than the subject discussion. 2) I would love to see photos of the Hindu with such Tegha in the Durbar. And in Book can write anything you like In Russia we have a saying: "Paper endure all" .... I prefer facts rather than captions for pictures in the album for a coffee table. Last edited by mahratt; 17th April 2016 at 08:03 PM.

17th April 2016, 01:06 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Panzerraptor, These items date from the end of 19 to the beginning of 20 century. They are ceremonial. They might have been produced as tourist items, but Oliver Pinchot in his book of the late R. Wagner collection had shown a khanda with very similar decorations. In his comment, items of such decorative abundance were produced for the Dehli durbars ( 1877,1903,1911), all-India assemblies at the coronations of British Kings, them being also The Emperors of India. Every Rajah brought a retinue armed to the teeth with very "show-y" weapons. Theatrical? Historical? Depends on the point of view of a collector. Unless you are specifically interested in the battle-proven weapons, these shields and kora reflect prevailing trends in Indian arms culture of that time.

17th April 2016, 07:10 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Erroneously I mentioned khanda. Sorry. I meant # 4-21.

17th April 2016, 08:31 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I wish there were more "coffee table albums" like that... I tend to respect Oliver Pinchot's opinions. Obviously you do not. To each his own. Pity you cannot comprehend his wise and nuanced insights: you might have changed your mind.

17th April 2016, 08:58 PM	#10
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Again, I see only the words ... No photo Hindu on Durbar with the same sword..... But I'm not surprised)))