Russian Khyber knife

ausjulius · 17th April 2016, 05:17 AM

im no expert but id say blade is to crude form something form zlatoust.
as smiths do in that area.. id say they may have added a stamp they have seen to add value to their product.. could be wrong.. but ..

ariel · 17th April 2016, 09:01 AM

That's what I thought too, but I found identical marks on items coming from old Russia. Did the Afghanis forge a special stamp? If so, that would not be the only example, and that was exactly what I was asking. Or is it known that Zlatoust made a special order of the blades?

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 12:02 PM

It would be interesting to see the same stamp on the authentic Russian items from Zlatoust.

I think that in this particular case we are dealing with an old Khyber knife on which someone recently put fake stamp Zlatoust.

mariusgmioc · 17th April 2016, 01:25 PM

Faking such a detailed stamp, and to this level of quality is not an easy task.

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 01:36 PM

The stamp is not very neat . If we compare with the authentic

mahratt · 17th April 2016, 07:13 PM

I think soon we can expect many more items with stamps Zlatoust: Afghan Khyber, Ethiopian Gurade Sword, Sudanese Kaskara Sword....

By the way, Russian collectors of weapons from Russia confirmed that a stamp - modern.

ariel · 17th April 2016, 10:17 PM

This stamp was used by Zlatoust Weapon Factory between 1890's and 1917.
Source http://www.imha.ru/1144531224-proizv...l#.VxPtK_krK01

Here are examples.
Minor variations are expected: no stamping device would survive forever.
The fact that somebody in today's Russia produced a copy proves only one thing: Russian collectors are paranoid not for nothing; they are bombarded with fakes.

17th April 2016, 07:13 PM	#6
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I think soon we can expect many more items with stamps Zlatoust: Afghan Khyber, Ethiopian Gurade Sword, Sudanese Kaskara Sword.... By the way, Russian collectors of weapons from Russia confirmed that a stamp - modern. Attached Images

17th April 2016, 10:17 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This stamp was used by Zlatoust Weapon Factory between 1890's and 1917. Source http://www.imha.ru/1144531224-proizv...l#.VxPtK_krK01 Here are examples. Minor variations are expected: no stamping device would survive forever. The fact that somebody in today's Russia produced a copy proves only one thing: Russian collectors are paranoid not for nothing; they are bombarded with fakes. Attached Images

17th April 2016, 05:17 AM	#1
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 477	im no expert but id say blade is to crude form something form zlatoust. as smiths do in that area.. id say they may have added a stamp they have seen to add value to their product.. could be wrong.. but ..

17th April 2016, 09:01 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	That's what I thought too, but I found identical marks on items coming from old Russia. Did the Afghanis forge a special stamp? If so, that would not be the only example, and that was exactly what I was asking. Or is it known that Zlatoust made a special order of the blades?

17th April 2016, 12:02 PM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	It would be interesting to see the same stamp on the authentic Russian items from Zlatoust. I think that in this particular case we are dealing with an old Khyber knife on which someone recently put fake stamp Zlatoust.

17th April 2016, 01:25 PM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Faking such a detailed stamp, and to this level of quality is not an easy task.

17th April 2016, 01:36 PM	#5
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	The stamp is not very neat . If we compare with the authentic