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Old 9th April 2016, 03:16 AM   #1
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How big are they? How thick?

Ceremonial and bridal axes are huge and thin. Old ceremonial axes were usually functional weapons (usually used for killing downed and wounded enemies, before they got steel axes), but too fragile to be tools. Bridal axes aren't usually very sharp. These don't look like bridal axes to me - either too thick or too small.

If smaller (perhaps 10-15cm long), and thicker (perhaps more than 2cm thick), it's a work axe, as used for felling trees before they got steel axes. They're not used in the same way as a steel axe, but lots of short chops. Steel-axe-style big swings are too likely to break them. If you've cut down a tree with a stone axe, you appreciate the value of steel axes. I don't know if work axes like these were used as weapons, but they'd manage OK, as very close range weapons.

If that size or smaller, with an asymmetrically ground edge, then it's an adze head or chisel blade.

Since they're pretty labour intensive to make, and suitable stone isn't available elsewhere, polished axe heads would be traded long distances in Australia, Melanesia, and Polynesia. But their primary function was as tools as weapons. After steel axes, then there isn't so much demand, and then you see things like specialised bride-price axes. So lots of the recent ones are the thin-bladed huge bridal axes, and those are the ones that get collected by tourists (common because they're modern, decorated hafts, and spectacular). I think work axes just get called "bride price" axes by association with their larger bridal brethren.

Perhaps of interest:
http://australianmuseum.net.au/movie...-axes-of-mendi
http://australianmuseum.net.au/movie/tree-feeling-axes
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Old 9th April 2016, 07:06 AM   #2
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These blades are not jade. They are made from a rock called schist. Which can have colours ranging from blue, black, and green. When I have time I can post more information. This book is a must have resource if you are to be interested in PNG. The focus of the book is the Dani .

http://www.tamupress.com/product/Cul...Stone,860.aspx

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Old 9th April 2016, 11:50 AM   #3
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Axe forms vary from one area to another, PNG is a big island. From your pictures your blades look more like adze type of blade. Stone blade and axes have many functions practical, ceremonial and currency/wealth again the form depends on the region. A huge task to gather all knowledge on the subject. These are the axes I have. I consider myself very lucky to have the Asmat ceremonial axe with the head hunting figurative handle. The stone is beautifully mottled. The so called tree felling axe, which could be used as a weapon, is a form found among the Dani in the western highlands. The other axes are from the eastern and southern highlands. The one with the thick blade is a fighting axe but they are also used as forms of payment.
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Old 9th April 2016, 01:45 PM   #4
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Hi Josh, I am novice to this forum and don't know anything about New Guinea. My main area of collecting, completely separate from this forum, is stone age tools from my native country, Israel.
Axes of this type have been made in virtually all cultures of the world, starting around 5,000 BC. Their use was as weapon or ceremonial-most probably both. Working axes and adzes are even older, but look slightly different. If they are ground/polished type, usually only the tip is polished and the rest is chipped. Working axes were heavy, broad edge instruments. The smaller ones, like yours were hafted as adzes, as Timo rightly commented, with the edge 90 deg to the haft and the body leaning diagonally towards the user. They were used mainly for wood working. For this use, they had to be sharp, and your don't look even nearly sharp enough. Hafts for serious use were probably much sturdier and less decorated than those in Tim Simmons' post (very beautiful).
By general looks, yours look very similar to some in Tim's post and therefore, are likely from the same area, but probably have never been used as working tools.
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Old 9th April 2016, 08:53 PM   #5
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I did not give any dimensions to these axes but I can say they are hafted for use against humans and only one would not function for cutting wood, the example with the wide plant fibre binding. I have cut wood with PNG adze blades and the two axes with ease.
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Old 10th April 2016, 06:26 PM   #6
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Thank you for the replies. The darker stone is 20.5cm *3.8cm while the lighter colored one is 20.4cm*3.4cm. Geology is not my field, and I know nothing of New Guinea’s rocks but I don’t think most schist would make a good axe. They are too large grained. I think you need an amphibole like what is called “black granite” or like what is called jade. The lighter colored stone might have been schist once but if you look closely you can see that the grains have fused together. The darker example is even tighter. Neither contains any mica that I can see, and only a few small spots that might be quartzite.

I have tried to take more detailed pictures of the dark one.
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Old 10th April 2016, 08:38 PM   #7
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Get the book. Variants of schist are described. The black is the hardest. However they are not jade. Even if jade is also a metamorphic rock .
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