Small kris from Sumatra?

[Jean]

Thank you David and Marius.
Since David loves patrems, I am showing 2 more small krisses also expected to originate from Sumatra, but other opinions are welcome:
. The first one is a small Bugis kris from East Sumatra?, the blade is 23 cm long and was recently stained.
. The second one is a miniature kris (blade lenght 16 cm) with a matching Jawa demam hilt from ivory, and the style of the scabbard is peculiar.
Regards

[mariusgmioc]

Love these too, but my favourite remains the first one. Thank you for the photos!
I am pretty sure Alan can tell you much more about the Kerises.
Do you know why are they so small?

[Jean]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Love these too, but my favourite remains the first one. Thank you for the photos!
I am pretty sure Alan can tell you much more about the Kerises.
Do you know why are they so small?

I guess that these pieces were worn by women or even a kid for the last one but who knows?
Regards

[A. G. Maisey]

Sorry Marius, but I don't take much interest in keris from places other than Jawa/Sunda/Madura/Bali.

The reason for this is that Jawa/Bali is the core of keris culture. When keris went into other areas of S.E. Asia, sometimes as gifts from a Javanese ruler to another ruler, sometimes as items of trade, the object itself went, but the Javanese understanding of the keris stayed behind in Jawa.

Since my approach to keris study is historical/cultural/societal, and since I have only a limited time on this earth, I prefer to use that time for study in an area that I personally regard as important.

Time spent on places other than the core is to me, somewhat of a waste of time.

[David]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Do you know why are they so small?

Marius, keris of this size from certain regions of Indonesia are generally referred to as patrems and it is usually believed that they are intended for women. Frankly i do not believe nearly enough has been written about these and their place within keris culture, but it does seem to me that they were only intended for women of a certain status. Patrems seem to be found mostly in Jawa, Madura and Sumatra and to a lesser extent in Bali. Words other than "patrem" might be used outside of Jawa.
Similarly small keris can also be found in amongst the Malays, though in those cases they are called Keris Selit or Sisip (which i believe means "slotted", referring to how it is worn in the waistband) and serve a completely different cultural purpose. They are carried mostly by men in that culture and are a secondary and rather ceremonial weapon.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by David

Marius, keris of this size from certain regions of Indonesia are generally referred to as patrems and it is usually believed that they are intended for women. Frankly i do not believe nearly enough has been written about these and their place within keris culture, but it does seem to me that they were only intended for women of a certain status. Patrems seem to be found mostly in Jawa, Madura and Sumatra and to a lesser extent in Bali. Words other than "patrem" might be used outside of Jawa.
Similarly small keris can also be found in amongst the Malays, though in those cases they are called Keris Selit or Sisip (which i believe means "slotted", referring to how it is worn in the waistband) and serve a completely different cultural purpose. They are carried mostly by men in that culture and are a secondary and rather ceremonial weapon.

Very interesting. Thanks!