My First Kris

VANDOO · 25th February 2016, 04:32 PM

WELCOME TO THE MORO KRIS COLLECTING GROUP. YOU HAVE A NICE KRIS FOR A FIRST ONE.

IT HAS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE HORSE HOOF STYLE POMMEL WHICH WOULD HAVE HAD MOTHER OF PEARL SECTIONS WITH DESIGNS ATTACHED. THE PEGS APPEAR TO BE THERE BUT THE PEARL SHELL IS MISSING. THE BLADE IS OF THE PART STRAIGHT AND PART WAVY FORM WITH UNUSUAL DESIGN CUT INTO THE BLADE. SOME OF THE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBERS WILL BE ABLE TO FILL IN A BIT MORE INFORMATION.

Battara · 26th February 2016, 12:16 AM

This kris looks like it may be from the Maguindanao region and was made at a later date, perhaps the 1960s?

The ganga line is engraved and is not separate - meaning that it is not from the turn of the 20th century or earlier.

harrywagner · 26th February 2016, 12:42 PM

Good start! Congrats on your find.

arsendaday · 28th February 2016, 10:49 PM

Thanks everybody for commenting on my Kris. I was introduced to Krises on this forum and got fascinated by them. I am trying to learn as much as possible and I appreciate all the help that I can get.

Question: Is it normal that all the blades on all the Krises are bendable. I mean you can easily bend this blade and then you will have to bend it back. For example European blades will spring back themselves and some of them will bend up to 90 degree before they go out of shape. Thanks.

Battara · 29th February 2016, 01:28 AM

For early Moro kris the bending is little. Thinner later Moro kris might be more easily bendable. Never tried to bend one before.

arsendaday · 29th February 2016, 02:59 AM

I am not bending the blades to ruin them. I just check all of my swords or any bladed weapons to see if they do. I have always wondered how were warriors able to fight with inferior swords or any other bladed weapons that bent. Imagine that you are trying to parry a blow and your sword bends to the side and stays like that. From than on you have two choices either to throw away your sword and run out of the battlefield or sit down on the ground and pray that no one will kill you while you are trying to straighten you sword.

David · 29th February 2016, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by arsendaday

Question: Is it normal that all the blades on all the Krises are bendable. I mean you can easily bend this blade and then you will have to bend it back. For example European blades will spring back themselves and some of them will bend up to 90 degree before they go out of shape. Thanks.

No blade should go easily out of shape when you try to bend it. If it bends and doesn't spring back i'd say that's not a good thing.

VANDOO · 29th February 2016, 06:30 AM

TO BEND A KRIS BLADE WITH THE BARE HANDS AND IT STAY THAT WAY IS SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER SEEN DONE AND I SERIOUSLY DOUBT I COULD ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OF MINE. YOUR EXAMPLE APPEARS TO HAVE A BLADE THICKNESS THAT IS NORMAL PERHAPS IT HAS LOST ITS TEMPER OR YOU USED SOMETHING OTHER THAN BARE HANDS TO BEND IT.? AT ANY RATE ANY SWORD THAT EASILY BENDS, DOSE'T SPRING BACK AND STAYS BENT IS INFERIOR AND UNDESIRABLE IN MY OPINION.

arsendaday · 29th February 2016, 09:33 PM

I bend them with bare hands and I am being very gentle too. Now I have 4 Krises from different times and regions and all of them bend and stay out of shape. And not only the krises. Most Indian Tulwars that I own and almost all the Caucasian Kindjals that I own have the same issue. Exceptions are Russian made kindjals and Bebuts, but those are made at a later time and in factories. So I was always wandering if its just me or its common.

arsendaday · 29th February 2016, 10:57 PM

Here are all my krises. One is an old Bali one, the others are new from Sumatra and Jawa, as I am told.

26th February 2016, 12:42 PM	#3
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Good start! Good start! Congrats on your find.

28th February 2016, 10:49 PM	#4
arsendaday Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 44	Thank you Thanks everybody for commenting on my Kris. I was introduced to Krises on this forum and got fascinated by them. I am trying to learn as much as possible and I appreciate all the help that I can get. Question: Is it normal that all the blades on all the Krises are bendable. I mean you can easily bend this blade and then you will have to bend it back. For example European blades will spring back themselves and some of them will bend up to 90 degree before they go out of shape. Thanks.

29th February 2016, 02:59 AM	#6
arsendaday Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 44	Bending the sword I am not bending the blades to ruin them. I just check all of my swords or any bladed weapons to see if they do. I have always wondered how were warriors able to fight with inferior swords or any other bladed weapons that bent. Imagine that you are trying to parry a blow and your sword bends to the side and stays like that. From than on you have two choices either to throw away your sword and run out of the battlefield or sit down on the ground and pray that no one will kill you while you are trying to straighten you sword.

29th February 2016, 09:33 PM	#9
arsendaday Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 44	All My Krises Bend I bend them with bare hands and I am being very gentle too. Now I have 4 Krises from different times and regions and all of them bend and stay out of shape. And not only the krises. Most Indian Tulwars that I own and almost all the Caucasian Kindjals that I own have the same issue. Exceptions are Russian made kindjals and Bebuts, but those are made at a later time and in factories. So I was always wandering if its just me or its common.

29th February 2016, 10:57 PM	#10
arsendaday Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 44	The rest of Them Here are all my krises. One is an old Bali one, the others are new from Sumatra and Jawa, as I am told. Attached Images

25th February 2016, 04:32 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE MORO KRIS COLLECTING GROUP. YOU HAVE A NICE KRIS FOR A FIRST ONE. IT HAS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE HORSE HOOF STYLE POMMEL WHICH WOULD HAVE HAD MOTHER OF PEARL SECTIONS WITH DESIGNS ATTACHED. THE PEGS APPEAR TO BE THERE BUT THE PEARL SHELL IS MISSING. THE BLADE IS OF THE PART STRAIGHT AND PART WAVY FORM WITH UNUSUAL DESIGN CUT INTO THE BLADE. SOME OF THE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBERS WILL BE ABLE TO FILL IN A BIT MORE INFORMATION.

26th February 2016, 12:16 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	This kris looks like it may be from the Maguindanao region and was made at a later date, perhaps the 1960s? The ganga line is engraved and is not separate - meaning that it is not from the turn of the 20th century or earlier.

29th February 2016, 01:28 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	For early Moro kris the bending is little. Thinner later Moro kris might be more easily bendable. Never tried to bend one before.

29th February 2016, 06:30 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TO BEND A KRIS BLADE WITH THE BARE HANDS AND IT STAY THAT WAY IS SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER SEEN DONE AND I SERIOUSLY DOUBT I COULD ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OF MINE. YOUR EXAMPLE APPEARS TO HAVE A BLADE THICKNESS THAT IS NORMAL PERHAPS IT HAS LOST ITS TEMPER OR YOU USED SOMETHING OTHER THAN BARE HANDS TO BEND IT.? AT ANY RATE ANY SWORD THAT EASILY BENDS, DOSE'T SPRING BACK AND STAYS BENT IS INFERIOR AND UNDESIRABLE IN MY OPINION.