Identification help?

corrado26 · 13th February 2016, 03:42 PM

I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached. It is described as German about 1560 and shows very similar details to the piece in question. But look at its hilt, it differs very much! So I am still convinced that the sword in question is a fake!
corrado26

cornelistromp · 13th February 2016, 06:43 PM

Hi Corrado,

Iam sorry but what you're saying in above post makes absolutely no sense.

the innerguard you posted is another inner guard type; Norman type 17.
Further, an inner guard type is not limited to a specific type of hilt, but may occur at different type of hilts over a longer time span.

For example, see the attachement a two-handed sword from 1540 with the same type of inner guard, type 21, as the one under discussion, but for the right hand. so this innerguard was already in use 100years earlier as the sword of post 1.
and this type of sword hilt type 43 (1550-1630) in a paining The Company of Captain Rosecrans by Cornelis Ketel, 1588. the innerguard is probably of type 18 or 20.

it's fine that you think the sword is a fake, but you need to come up with more convincing substantiation!

best,
jasper

CSinTX · 13th February 2016, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached.

Is this a Fricker sword? Lots to be suspect of there. In my opinion they are both modern builds.

13th February 2016, 03:42 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached. It is described as German about 1560 and shows very similar details to the piece in question. But look at its hilt, it differs very much! So I am still convinced that the sword in question is a fake! corrado26 Attached Images

13th February 2016, 06:43 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Corrado, Iam sorry but what you're saying in above post makes absolutely no sense. the innerguard you posted is another inner guard type; Norman type 17. Further, an inner guard type is not limited to a specific type of hilt, but may occur at different type of hilts over a longer time span. For example, see the attachement a two-handed sword from 1540 with the same type of inner guard, type 21, as the one under discussion, but for the right hand. so this innerguard was already in use 100years earlier as the sword of post 1. and this type of sword hilt type 43 (1550-1630) in a paining The Company of Captain Rosecrans by Cornelis Ketel, 1588. the innerguard is probably of type 18 or 20. it's fine that you think the sword is a fake, but you need to come up with more convincing substantiation! best, jasper Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 13th February 2016 at 07:18 PM.