Identification help?

DaveA · 10th February 2016, 02:31 PM

Could this left-handed sword, apparently shorter than normal, been intended for use in parrying?

Could the shorter length of blade be a result of a broken blade that was cut down?

Could the shorter length indicate the sword was made for a child or perhaps someone else with less arm strength?

Close up photos are coming soon.

Dave A.

cornelistromp · 10th February 2016, 03:10 PM

why do you think the blade is shortened?

please give is the dimensions and place some pictures of the point.

a sword of this type with an ao length of 90-100cm is fine for 1640

iskender · 10th February 2016, 10:15 PM

from far away this looks like a decent german sword in my insignificant opinion with a solinger blade. greetings iskender

Jim McDougall · 10th February 2016, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveA

Could this left-handed sword, apparently shorter than normal, been intended for use in parrying?

Could the shorter length of blade be a result of a broken blade that was cut down?

Could the shorter length indicate the sword was made for a child or perhaps someone else with less arm strength?

Close up photos are coming soon.

Dave A.

That was an interesting a well placed suggestion Dave. Those are all quite plausible explanations for a shorter than usual blade. The use of dual swords in combat was an occasional instance, and there were dual sets of rapiers known as a 'case'.

ulfberth · 11th February 2016, 07:33 AM

Hi all,

As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible.
What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword.
If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword.
Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM )

kind regards

Ulfberth

cornelistromp · 11th February 2016, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulfberth

Hi all,

As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible.
What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword.
If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword.
Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM )

kind regards

Ulfberth

Hi Ulfberth,
sorry to have to say that this sword can not be hold (properly) in your right hand, then the bracket is in the way.
it is 100% a left hander.

please compare and see post #7 this is the same innerguard for a right handed sword.

maybe a picture can be posted with the sword in the left and right hand, thumb over the ring, index finger around the ricasso, then it will be very obvious.

The length can be anything, the few of this type that I have measured were between 90-100cm, Iam curious what the length of this one measures.

best,
jasper

ulfberth · 11th February 2016, 01:52 PM

Well that's good news Jasper, it means at least one of us is going to learn something.
The more knowledge that can be shared the better

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Hi Ulfberth,
sorry to have to say that this sword can not be hold (properly) in your right hand, then the bracket is in the way.
it is 100% a left hander.

please compare and see post #7 this is the same innerguard for a right handed sword.

maybe a picture can be posted with the sword in the left and right hand, thumb over the ring, index finger around the ricasso, then it will be very obvious.

The length can be anything, the few of this type that I have measured were between 90-100cm, Iam curious what the length of this one measures.

best,
jasper

kind regards Ulfberth

iskender · 11th February 2016, 10:44 PM

gentlemen, there is a tread from 12. november 2008 from michael trömner showing " A fine South German One and a Half Sword ca 1525 " I`m correct to assume the guard is a mirror variant of the sword shown above ? When yes do we have a left and right version? As for the theorie this could be thougt as a " Linkhanddolch" i suppose rather not ,i dont see noble fights in my visions of the 80Year-War ending up as the 30 Year-War. on most of the paintings and "kupferstiche" out of that time ,you can see horrible scenes of people killing,torturing and massacre each other with pistols ,muskets, axes, halberts,swords,polarms, cannons etc. the rest suspended on trees ,beheaded and burnt on the pyre! it also would be interesting when somebody nows about the stamp of the smith and his succsessors,i have seen a similar on a german sword of justice made in solingen. A nice Weekend to you all !!! Iskender

cornelistromp · 12th February 2016, 07:26 AM

hi Iskender,

yes correct, for rapiers there are left and right hand versions, this is indicated by the known inner and outer guard types which are mirrored so that the rapier can be used for the left hand.

Just as today there are left and right handed people, the above sword is a sword for a left handed guy, this has nothing to do with a left handed dagger. besides the length is too large for that.

best,
Jasper

10th February 2016, 02:31 PM	#1
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 416	Shorter, left handed Could this left-handed sword, apparently shorter than normal, been intended for use in parrying? Could the shorter length of blade be a result of a broken blade that was cut down? Could the shorter length indicate the sword was made for a child or perhaps someone else with less arm strength? Close up photos are coming soon. Dave A.

10th February 2016, 10:15 PM	#3
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	why a fake? from far away this looks like a decent german sword in my insignificant opinion with a solinger blade. greetings iskender

11th February 2016, 07:33 AM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 428	Hi all, As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible. What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword. If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword. Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM ) kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

11th February 2016, 10:44 PM	#8
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	left or right ? gentlemen, there is a tread from 12. november 2008 from michael trömner showing " A fine South German One and a Half Sword ca 1525 " I`m correct to assume the guard is a mirror variant of the sword shown above ? When yes do we have a left and right version? As for the theorie this could be thougt as a " Linkhanddolch" i suppose rather not ,i dont see noble fights in my visions of the 80Year-War ending up as the 30 Year-War. on most of the paintings and "kupferstiche" out of that time ,you can see horrible scenes of people killing,torturing and massacre each other with pistols ,muskets, axes, halberts,swords,polarms, cannons etc. the rest suspended on trees ,beheaded and burnt on the pyre! it also would be interesting when somebody nows about the stamp of the smith and his succsessors,i have seen a similar on a german sword of justice made in solingen. A nice Weekend to you all !!! Iskender

10th February 2016, 03:10 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	why do you think the blade is shortened? please give is the dimensions and place some pictures of the point. a sword of this type with an ao length of 90-100cm is fine for 1640

12th February 2016, 07:26 AM	#9
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	hi Iskender, yes correct, for rapiers there are left and right hand versions, this is indicated by the known inner and outer guard types which are mirrored so that the rapier can be used for the left hand. Just as today there are left and right handed people, the above sword is a sword for a left handed guy, this has nothing to do with a left handed dagger. besides the length is too large for that. best, Jasper