Identification help?

[DaveA]

Thank you very much for the frank comments. I thought that the condition of this sword looked too good for the age/type suggested by the overall design. I'm no expert so I am grateful that the EAA Forum certainly can bring it forward when called upon. My humble thanks.

Dave A.

[cornelistromp]

I prefer a picture of the guard and not the inner guard.
maybe you can post some more pictures or a link , so it is very poor material?

hilt is Norman type 43 1550-1630 and the egg-shaped pommel is a variation of type 20 again popular in the second quarter of the 17th century.
the inner guard is of an unusual type, a variation of type 22

The rapier has been over cleaned, especially the blade, but does not look bad.

I don't think it is a fake, my impression is that is a genuine sword from the second quarter of the 17th century ca 1630-1640
(not a rapier the ao length must be >112cm)

best,
jasper

[DaveA]

I have requested more pictures, especially close ups of hilt, guard, pommel and any markings on the blade. Stand by.

Dave A

[cornelistromp]

correction of my previous post !
the inner Guard is not a variation of type 22 but the mirror image of type21!


ie the sword is a left hander, made for a left-handed person!

best
jasper

[DaveA]

Could this left-handed sword, apparently shorter than normal, been intended for use in parrying?

Could the shorter length of blade be a result of a broken blade that was cut down?

Could the shorter length indicate the sword was made for a child or perhaps someone else with less arm strength?

Close up photos are coming soon.

Dave A.

[cornelistromp]

why do you think the blade is shortened?

please give is the dimensions and place some pictures of the point.

a sword of this type with an ao length of 90-100cm is fine for 1640

[iskender]

from far away this looks like a decent german sword in my insignificant opinion with a solinger blade. greetings iskender

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by DaveA

Could this left-handed sword, apparently shorter than normal, been intended for use in parrying?

Could the shorter length of blade be a result of a broken blade that was cut down?

Could the shorter length indicate the sword was made for a child or perhaps someone else with less arm strength?

Close up photos are coming soon.

Dave A.

That was an interesting a well placed suggestion Dave. Those are all quite plausible explanations for a shorter than usual blade. The use of dual swords in combat was an occasional instance, and there were dual sets of rapiers known as a 'case'.

[ulfberth]

Hi all,

As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible.
What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword.
If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword.
Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM )


kind regards

Ulfberth

[DaveA]

Here are more pictures provided to me today by the sword's owner. I'm looking forward to your comments.

Thank you.

Dave A.

[DaveA]

More pictures of the mystery sword. Thanks for the comments.

Dave A.