Sword for ID

ulfberth · 19th January 2016, 04:27 PM

Your welcome Fernando,
The fake in HH was made with an original blade of a 1854 model cuirassiers sabre.

The blade of the one you posted should look like the blades in the left pics, just compare the beginning of the fullers.
Some poorly made Indian copies have blades in the that if you bend them, they stay bended , these blade have a different color and look more like aluminum.

kind regards
Ulfberth

Gavin Nugent · 19th January 2016, 11:43 PM

Thank you Ulfberth, subtleties I did not at first pick up when viewing Aries.

With thanks

Gavin

ulfberth · 20th January 2016, 08:15 AM

Hello Gavin,

Your welcome, I only learned the fine subtleties after making mistakes.
All the type of sabres of Maison du Roi are of extreme high and fine quality, the casting is sharp and withouth faults and the old manner of fire gilding is of the best quality and looks totaly different from electrolytic gilding. Here is another one from the first restauration period from the Garde Du Corps Du Roi, I think the difference of the details are speaking for themselves
80 % of the fakes have electrolytic gilding.
I believe that the sabre of the thread is for sale on , armae... It has the same abrupt starting fullers, the same collor of blade, and dito broad lelies at the base of the cross of course here the casting faults are largely covered with electrolytic gilding
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/sa...son_du_Roi.htm

kind regards

Ulfberth

Valjhun · 25th January 2016, 04:51 PM

Caveat emptor!

The sword is a 100% repro without any doubt and it is not even a good one.

Always be suspicious of October 1813 dates. Used by the Discriminating General and some well known fakers. Currently not in catalogue this particular model, but I remember that was not so long ago.

It does not have the grip ferule - nearly every original french sword from that period have one!

Then again, there are too many turns in the grip - the fakes usually have about 15, original swords about 10 or 11.

And then again: details, details, details.

Take look at this thread, similar beast: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=cuirassier

fernando · 25th January 2016, 05:12 PM

Alright Matej, fully noted, thanks.

19th January 2016, 04:27 PM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 413	Your welcome Fernando, The fake in HH was made with an original blade of a 1854 model cuirassiers sabre. The blade of the one you posted should look like the blades in the left pics, just compare the beginning of the fullers. Some poorly made Indian copies have blades in the that if you bend them, they stay bended , these blade have a different color and look more like aluminum. kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

20th January 2016, 08:15 AM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 413	Hello Gavin, Your welcome, I only learned the fine subtleties after making mistakes. All the type of sabres of Maison du Roi are of extreme high and fine quality, the casting is sharp and withouth faults and the old manner of fire gilding is of the best quality and looks totaly different from electrolytic gilding. Here is another one from the first restauration period from the Garde Du Corps Du Roi, I think the difference of the details are speaking for themselves 80 % of the fakes have electrolytic gilding. I believe that the sabre of the thread is for sale on , armae... It has the same abrupt starting fullers, the same collor of blade, and dito broad lelies at the base of the cross of course here the casting faults are largely covered with electrolytic gilding http://www.armae.com/contemporain/sa...son_du_Roi.htm kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

19th January 2016, 11:43 PM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you Ulfberth, subtleties I did not at first pick up when viewing Aries. With thanks Gavin

25th January 2016, 04:51 PM	#4
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Caveat emptor! The sword is a 100% repro without any doubt and it is not even a good one. Always be suspicious of October 1813 dates. Used by the Discriminating General and some well known fakers. Currently not in catalogue this particular model, but I remember that was not so long ago. It does not have the grip ferule - nearly every original french sword from that period have one! Then again, there are too many turns in the grip - the fakes usually have about 15, original swords about 10 or 11. And then again: details, details, details. Take look at this thread, similar beast: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=cuirassier

25th January 2016, 05:12 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Alright Matej, fully noted, thanks.