Origins of this yatagan.

ariel · 17th January 2016, 12:27 PM

In the last set of pics, the fourth from below, scabbard fitting: isn't there a half-moon and a star?

estcrh · 17th January 2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

In the last set of pics, the fourth from below, scabbard fitting: isn't there a half-moon and a star?

To me it looks like a half moon and star, sort of stylized. The tip of the scabbard looks like a fish head, it reminds me of the balkan style scabbard tip.

estcrh · 17th January 2016, 01:18 PM

This yatagan is similar in some ways, the blade has gold marking on one side and silver on the other, the scabbard ends are similar as is the grip which may be wood, it is the closest I have seen.

Helleri · 18th January 2016, 02:22 AM

This is probably the least helpful comment. But when in it's scabbard, it looks like a fish...just sayin'.

Kubur · 18th January 2016, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Helleri

This is probably the least helpful comment. But when in it's scabbard, it looks like a fish...just sayin'.

It's not crazy at all as a lot of Ottoman scabbards have a terminal with a fish head or sea monster head. Just note that the double tip is maybe a symbol of the zulfikar...very common amongst arm makers in the Balkans...

Battara · 19th January 2016, 01:12 AM

Thanks for the close ups. Now I see that this is truly more unusual than I originally thought. Though still leaning Balkan, it now does not seem as Balkan as I thought now that I see these later picture close ups.

Regarding the 2nd example, what region does it come from in the Ottoman Empire?

Also I agree with Kubur regarding the fish/monster scabbard finial. Quite common on Ottoman yataghans, both on sword and dagger styles.

ariel · 19th January 2016, 02:52 AM

The one with a silver handle has round non-striated red stones ( corals?) .
I recall that Elgood mentioned it as a specific sign of manufacture in Foca.

estcrh · 20th January 2016, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Thanks for the close ups. Now I see that this is truly more unusual than I originally thought. Though still leaning Balkan, it now does not seem as Balkan as I thought now that I see these later picture close ups.

Regarding the 2nd example, what region does it come from in the Ottoman Empire?

Also I agree with Kubur regarding the fish/monster scabbard finial. Quite common on Ottoman yataghans, both on sword and dagger styles.

Thanks to everyone who commented.

Is this the yatagan you mean (Regarding the 2nd example, what region does it come from in the Ottoman Empire?), if so it is from the Met.

Ottoman (Anatolian or Balkan) yatagan / yataghan, dated 1802–3, steel, silver, gold, coral, Length 29 in. (73.66 cm) Length of blade, 23 1/8 in. (58.72 cm), Wt. 3 lb. 8 oz. (1588 g). Met Museum. The yatagan was popular throughout the Ottoman Empire. It is distinguished by a single-edged blade that curves slightly inward and by a hilt with no guard and two flared wings at the pommel.

17th January 2016, 01:18 PM	#3
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	This yatagan is similar in some ways, the blade has gold marking on one side and silver on the other, the scabbard ends are similar as is the grip which may be wood, it is the closest I have seen. Attached Images

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	In the last set of pics, the fourth from below, scabbard fitting: isn't there a half-moon and a star?

18th January 2016, 02:22 AM	#4
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	This is probably the least helpful comment. But when in it's scabbard, it looks like a fish...just sayin'.

19th January 2016, 01:12 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Thanks for the close ups. Now I see that this is truly more unusual than I originally thought. Though still leaning Balkan, it now does not seem as Balkan as I thought now that I see these later picture close ups. Regarding the 2nd example, what region does it come from in the Ottoman Empire? Also I agree with Kubur regarding the fish/monster scabbard finial. Quite common on Ottoman yataghans, both on sword and dagger styles.

19th January 2016, 02:52 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The one with a silver handle has round non-striated red stones ( corals?) . I recall that Elgood mentioned it as a specific sign of manufacture in Foca.