Ivory Hilt Barong for Sharing

CharlesS · 16th January 2016, 03:24 PM

Thanks so much for sharing. This is one of the most unique Moro pieces I have seen in a long time! While I have seen hilt pommels with monster motifs, I have never seen one in that exact style. I think you have a "one of a kind" type hilt there.

I am curious about the way the grip cord is wrapped around the pommel. Why cover such lovely work? Can you tell if it has been that way a very long time, or perhaps, was done later?

Congrats on a great piece!

Robert · 16th January 2016, 03:42 PM

Wonderful barong and unbelievably with what looks to be no damage to the hilt. While these hilts are rare if I remember correctly I believe Kino has one in his collection that is very similar to the one you have just acquired. Hopefully he will see this and post a photo or two for comparison. My congratulations to you for winning this most beautiful and unusual piece for your collection.

Best,
Robert

Iain · 16th January 2016, 03:47 PM

Not my area of collecting but quality is recognizable in any area of arms and armour.

Thanks for posting.

Aslan Paladin · 16th January 2016, 08:54 PM

I was really awe-strucked at first to see this barong being offered in an auction here as I realised this hilt style is rare, done in a quite identifiable dragon's head, and I haven't seen another one in ivory. Ashokaarts sold a monster head ivory hilted barong before but it was more stylised than this one. I know that Kino and Artzi have similar ones, both wooden hilt. The seller labeled it as a Dyak head hunter's head knife.

I was also puzzled why there were cord wrappings on an apparent status sword. I would have to wait for a week at least for the sword to be sent to me by the seller, so I wouldn't be able to inspect it before my eyes till then. However, based on what I can see, I am of the opinion it was done a long time ago. Aesthetically it does seem to distract from the elegant beauty of the hilt. I was thinking at one point to remove it once I get the sword but has decided against it as I wouldn't want to tamper with the sword's history.

Thanks for the comments gentlemen.

Helleri · 16th January 2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Thanks so much for sharing. This is one of the most unique Moro pieces I have seen in a long time! While I have seen hilt pommels with monster motifs, I have never seen one in that exact style. I think you have a "one of a kind" type hilt there.

I am curious about the way the grip cord is wrapped around the pommel. Why cover such lovely work? Can you tell if it has been that way a very long time, or perhaps, was done later?

Congrats on a great piece!

Look at the 3rd picture down again. There is sun bleaching/weathering that has only occurred between the gaps of the cord. Looks like the cord has shifted around a bit as well. In any case I'd wager it's been like that for a long time.

Could it be original? I am wondering about how that cord is secured at the blade base end. I can't quite tell from the pictures. But it looks like that knot might be tied through a hole or notch in the blade?

All speculation just based on what I can actually see of course...But, if the blade or fitting have an accommodation that looks like it is specifically for tying that cord onto...then taking with the color difference of where the cord does and does not touch. I would really suspect that it may be an original wrap.

Beautiful blade...But the eyebrow raising thing for me is definitely that cord job. would be very interested to know more about that part of it specifically.

Aslan Paladin · 16th January 2016, 10:05 PM

In response to Robert, here is a comparison with Kino's barong (the wooden one). The ivory hilted one Kino uses as his avatar would be nice to see.

DaveS · 17th January 2016, 03:47 AM

Asian Paladin: I have a barong with the same kind of hilt, only in black horn. Handles like these are indeed very rare and you are indeed very fortunate to have acquired one of this type. Yes, i think Albert does have one of these with an ivory handle........Dave.

VANDOO · 17th January 2016, 06:47 AM

THIS STYLE OF HANDLE IS RARE BUT I HAVE SEEN A FEW OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE ONE WITH A WOOD HANDLE, I WILL SEE IF I CAN TAKE A PICTURE TO POST HERE SOON. ONE FORUM MEMBER HAS ONE WITH AN IVORY HANDLE AND USES IT FOR HIS AVATAR. HERE ARE TWO PICTURES OF ONE WITH AN IVORY HANDLE I DON'T REMEMBER WHO OWNS THEM OR WHERE I GOT THE PICTURES. HERE ARE TWO PICTURES OF ONE WITH A WOODEN HANDLE THAT ORIENTAL ARMS HAD. YOU ARE A LUCKY MAN TO ACQUIRE ONE.

Aslan Paladin · 17th January 2016, 07:34 AM

Vandoo - I think the ivory naga barong picture you just posted is the one that belongs to Kino and appears as his avatar. And that is the wooden-hilt naga barong Artzi has in his gallery item which I mentioned earlier.

Robert - Kino's barong and mine do look similar although mine has a broken top crest where part of the twine wrapping is anchored on and the horn spacer doesn't have circular inlays.

DaveS - I feel very lucky indeed and I was really on edge just as the auction was ending because I thought a serious collector wouldn't miss this and would go hard after it at all costs, massively outbidding me in the process. Luckily it was mislabeled so probably went under the radar. Only two other people placed bids on it but didn't mount a very serious challenge.

Helleri - I can't see any hole at the base of the blade or a notch for the twine wrap to pass through. I think it just loops around the base of the blade and then knotted. But I would definitely be able to tell and confirm what is the real deal once the sword arrives.

CharlesS - I guess my barong is more of 'two of a kind' along with Kino's. Probably it was a memory of seeing his posted somewhere around here which got me thinking "Haven't I seen this sword before?" I wonder if there are more distinctively identifiable (right down to the eyes) ivory naga hilt barongs somewhere out there.

Iain - It is a quality sword indeed.

Sajen · 17th January 2016, 03:40 PM

Hello Aslan,

great catch! Also when a little piece of ivory is missing it's a most beautiful barong.

I think that the cord was attached by the native to have a better grip, please don't open it, it belong to the history of this sword.

Regards,
Detlef

Robert · 17th January 2016, 10:17 PM

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I think that the cord was attached by the native to have a better grip, please don't open it, it belong to the history of this sword.

I totally agree with Detlef on this point, removing the cord to me would be removing part of the history of this beautiful barong.

Best,
Robert

zeus74 · 18th December 2016, 12:11 AM

that's badik, in sulawesi. maybe crafted batoala style. i'm indonesian.

16th January 2016, 08:54 PM	#4
Aslan Paladin Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand Posts: 122	I was really awe-strucked at first to see this barong being offered in an auction here as I realised this hilt style is rare, done in a quite identifiable dragon's head, and I haven't seen another one in ivory. Ashokaarts sold a monster head ivory hilted barong before but it was more stylised than this one. I know that Kino and Artzi have similar ones, both wooden hilt. The seller labeled it as a Dyak head hunter's head knife. I was also puzzled why there were cord wrappings on an apparent status sword. I would have to wait for a week at least for the sword to be sent to me by the seller, so I wouldn't be able to inspect it before my eyes till then. However, based on what I can see, I am of the opinion it was done a long time ago. Aesthetically it does seem to distract from the elegant beauty of the hilt. I was thinking at one point to remove it once I get the sword but has decided against it as I wouldn't want to tamper with the sword's history. Thanks for the comments gentlemen. Last edited by Aslan Paladin; 17th January 2016 at 07:36 AM.

16th January 2016, 10:05 PM	#6
Aslan Paladin Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand Posts: 122	In response to Robert, here is a comparison with Kino's barong (the wooden one). The ivory hilted one Kino uses as his avatar would be nice to see. Attached Images Last edited by Aslan Paladin; 17th January 2016 at 06:54 AM.

17th January 2016, 06:47 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS STYLE OF HANDLE IS RARE BUT I HAVE SEEN A FEW OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE ONE WITH A WOOD HANDLE, I WILL SEE IF I CAN TAKE A PICTURE TO POST HERE SOON. ONE FORUM MEMBER HAS ONE WITH AN IVORY HANDLE AND USES IT FOR HIS AVATAR. HERE ARE TWO PICTURES OF ONE WITH AN IVORY HANDLE I DON'T REMEMBER WHO OWNS THEM OR WHERE I GOT THE PICTURES. HERE ARE TWO PICTURES OF ONE WITH A WOODEN HANDLE THAT ORIENTAL ARMS HAD. YOU ARE A LUCKY MAN TO ACQUIRE ONE. Attached Images

17th January 2016, 07:34 AM	#9
Aslan Paladin Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand Posts: 122	Vandoo - I think the ivory naga barong picture you just posted is the one that belongs to Kino and appears as his avatar. And that is the wooden-hilt naga barong Artzi has in his gallery item which I mentioned earlier. Robert - Kino's barong and mine do look similar although mine has a broken top crest where part of the twine wrapping is anchored on and the horn spacer doesn't have circular inlays. DaveS - I feel very lucky indeed and I was really on edge just as the auction was ending because I thought a serious collector wouldn't miss this and would go hard after it at all costs, massively outbidding me in the process. Luckily it was mislabeled so probably went under the radar. Only two other people placed bids on it but didn't mount a very serious challenge. Helleri - I can't see any hole at the base of the blade or a notch for the twine wrap to pass through. I think it just loops around the base of the blade and then knotted. But I would definitely be able to tell and confirm what is the real deal once the sword arrives. CharlesS - I guess my barong is more of 'two of a kind' along with Kino's. Probably it was a memory of seeing his posted somewhere around here which got me thinking "Haven't I seen this sword before?" I wonder if there are more distinctively identifiable (right down to the eyes) ivory naga hilt barongs somewhere out there. Iain - It is a quality sword indeed. Last edited by Aslan Paladin; 18th January 2016 at 05:47 AM.

16th January 2016, 03:24 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks so much for sharing. This is one of the most unique Moro pieces I have seen in a long time! While I have seen hilt pommels with monster motifs, I have never seen one in that exact style. I think you have a "one of a kind" type hilt there. I am curious about the way the grip cord is wrapped around the pommel. Why cover such lovely work? Can you tell if it has been that way a very long time, or perhaps, was done later? Congrats on a great piece!

16th January 2016, 03:42 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Wonderful barong and unbelievably with what looks to be no damage to the hilt. While these hilts are rare if I remember correctly I believe Kino has one in his collection that is very similar to the one you have just acquired. Hopefully he will see this and post a photo or two for comparison. My congratulations to you for winning this most beautiful and unusual piece for your collection. Best, Robert

16th January 2016, 03:47 PM	#3
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	Not my area of collecting but quality is recognizable in any area of arms and armour. Thanks for posting.

17th January 2016, 03:47 AM	#7
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Asian Paladin: I have a barong with the same kind of hilt, only in black horn. Handles like these are indeed very rare and you are indeed very fortunate to have acquired one of this type. Yes, i think Albert does have one of these with an ivory handle........Dave.

17th January 2016, 03:40 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Aslan, great catch! Also when a little piece of ivory is missing it's a most beautiful barong. I think that the cord was attached by the native to have a better grip, please don't open it, it belong to the history of this sword. Regards, Detlef

18th December 2016, 12:11 AM	#12
zeus74 Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 7	that's badik, in sulawesi. maybe crafted batoala style. i'm indonesian.