Turkish Pala. Help with inscriptions.

BANDOOK · 6th January 2016, 10:17 AM

I MUST ADMIT THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED AND ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION HAVE REPLIED IN A VERY NICE AND KIND WAY AND MADE YOU CAUTIOUS,AS THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO RIDICULE AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE ONE IS A FOOL,WE ALL ARE LEARNING AND NO ONE IS AN EXPERT AND AN EXPERT ALSO CAN BE FOOLED
GOOD LUCK AND THANKS FOR POSTING
REGARDS RAJESH

ALEX · 6th January 2016, 01:43 PM

just a few tidbits about these swords, they appeared in about 2010, made in Syria and/or Turkey. The blade looks gold inlaid, as initially thought, but it is neither gold nor inlay, it is surface template-based application, far from anything it appeared to be. You may see an old thread with similar swords from when they began making them HERE

arsendaday · 7th January 2016, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

just a few tidbits about these swords, they appeared in about 2010, made in Syria and/or Turkey. The blade looks gold inlaid, as initially thought, but it is neither gold nor inlay, it is surface template-based application, far from anything it appeared to be. You may see an old thread with similar swords from when they began making them HERE

Thanks Alex! I wish I came along this post earlier, It would save me some time and disappointment. Either way I see that on your example the handle is a little better, which makes me feel even worse

Well, better late than never, as they say. I hope that at least our efforts here will warn some people about the fakes. Also I think that this guys would make more profit if they openly stated that the swords are replicas, priced them right and offer them to everybody, instead of being shady. But I guess some people are more greedy than smart.

ALEX · 7th January 2016, 01:30 PM

Arsen, you are most welcome! I am glad you posted this sword and got the facts about it. This is part of collecting, and I think safe to say every one of us made some miscalculations at some point, especially when going by only online images.
here are a few more swords of similar nature, not even most from just the past several weeks alone. one even has the reference of authentic sword from Tirri book attached, as to stress the importance of everything that remotely resembles it, and the description states "likely 1700s to 1800s period, of course

Kubur · 7th January 2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Arsen, you are most welcome! I am glad you posted this sword and got the facts about it. This is part of collecting, and I think safe to say every one of us made some miscalculations at some point, especially when going by only online images.
here are a few more swords of similar nature, not even most from just the past several weeks alone. one even has the reference of authentic sword from Tirri book attached, as to stress the importance of everything that remotely resembles it, and the description states "likely 1700s to 1800s period, of course

Hi Alex,

The second and fourth ones look good to me...
The last one is just a good old Turkish touristic sword...

Best,
Kubur

ALEX · 7th January 2016, 02:13 PM

see the second and third, they have identical cartouches

the blades are completely new, as the handles and crosses... everything is new. they are acid aged just as the subject kilij. As per Ariel's earlier comment, I'll not give up more hints to those who make them.
The last one also shows some age, but is it any old? see the below image that Harry recently posted for sale (Harry, hope you do not mind I am referencing your item here). They are similar, but one is aged, no? i mean it can be a few years old, could be 5 or 10, but 1800...?

Kubur · 7th January 2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

look at second and third, they have identical cartouches, same newly-made template

the handles are completely new, so are the blades. they are acid aged just as the subject kilij. The last one also shows some age, but i doubt it is any old. see the below image that Harry recently posted for sale, same thing but aged, no? i mean it can be a few years old, could be 5 or 10, but 1800...?

sorry the picture changed
i talked about the first one
for the last one, yes, like Harry's Turkish daggers, i would say around 1900-1920.
Touristic, but old... Nevertheless they continue to do these kind of daggers up to now if i'm not mistaken...
By the way a lot of pistols fall in this category too...

7th January 2016, 01:30 PM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Arsen, you are most welcome! I am glad you posted this sword and got the facts about it. This is part of collecting, and I think safe to say every one of us made some miscalculations at some point, especially when going by only online images. here are a few more swords of similar nature, not even most from just the past several weeks alone. one even has the reference of authentic sword from Tirri book attached, as to stress the importance of everything that remotely resembles it, and the description states "likely 1700s to 1800s period, of course Attached Images

7th January 2016, 02:13 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	see the second and third, they have identical cartouches the blades are completely new, as the handles and crosses... everything is new. they are acid aged just as the subject kilij. As per Ariel's earlier comment, I'll not give up more hints to those who make them. The last one also shows some age, but is it any old? see the below image that Harry recently posted for sale (Harry, hope you do not mind I am referencing your item here). They are similar, but one is aged, no? i mean it can be a few years old, could be 5 or 10, but 1800...? Attached Images Last edited by ALEX; 7th January 2016 at 02:23 PM.

6th January 2016, 10:17 AM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	I MUST ADMIT THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED AND ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION HAVE REPLIED IN A VERY NICE AND KIND WAY AND MADE YOU CAUTIOUS,AS THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO RIDICULE AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE ONE IS A FOOL,WE ALL ARE LEARNING AND NO ONE IS AN EXPERT AND AN EXPERT ALSO CAN BE FOOLED GOOD LUCK AND THANKS FOR POSTING REGARDS RAJESH

6th January 2016, 01:43 PM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	just a few tidbits about these swords, they appeared in about 2010, made in Syria and/or Turkey. The blade looks gold inlaid, as initially thought, but it is neither gold nor inlay, it is surface template-based application, far from anything it appeared to be. You may see an old thread with similar swords from when they began making them HERE