Assegai

Shakethetrees · 22nd December 2015, 04:19 PM

An asymmetrically forged blade is more characteristicly from northern areas spreading out from the Sahel and south, east to west coasts.

I've not seen it on Zulu weapons, but wouldn't be surprised to.

One thing I've noticed in my pursuit of Zulu assegai is a small notch at the base of each edge filed into the shank. It can be very boldly done or very subtle, but if even a vestige of this notch is there, I'm pretty comfortable with it.

I don't ever recall ever seeing mention of this on the forum or in books.

Using my criteria, the asymmetrically forged blade with the base notch is an interesting variation.

RobertGuy · 22nd December 2015, 06:16 PM

Shakethetrees
Are these the notches you are referring to?

Shakethetrees · 22nd December 2015, 06:51 PM

Yes. A totally unnecessary bit of work for a well functioning spear, but there's probably a tradition or custom that dictates this is added.

It is more than just defining the junction of the blade and shaft, because I've seen this groove with file or abrasive stoning marks, so there is some deliberate work here. A vestigial indication of earlier forms or techniques.

kronckew · 22nd December 2015, 07:00 PM

robertguy's closeup of the blade/shaft transition was a bit fuzzy. i see now he's added clearer photos showing the distinctive zulu notch.

mine looks like the attached, tho my blade is of the more expected shallow diamond x-section. as noted, i also have not heard of zulu iklwa without the notches, and they all are tanged rather than socketed. the joint is usually re-enforced with wire work as in my case, or a degloved cow/calf tail skin applied wet then dried to a tight seamless fit.

edited: robert added clear photos of the notch as i was composing.

i've seen photos of zulu stabbing axes with the asymmetrical forging like yours on the blade.

RobertGuy · 22nd December 2015, 07:10 PM

Sorry duplicate post

kronckew · 22nd December 2015, 07:17 PM

my zulu/shona isizence axe with similar forging on the blade. this is a 12.5 long toy or dancing axe, i'm still looking for a full sized one

RobertGuy · 22nd December 2015, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

my zulu/shona isizence axe with similar forging on the blade. this is a 12.5 long toy or dancing axe, i'm still looking for a full sized one

You mean like this? I was going to post this up in a new thread but as we are on a roll here goes.

Catalogue description:
Late 19th century Zulu Axe bearded head with joining shaft. Polished wood ball ended handle which the joining shaft passes through. Lower handle cut with 7 small notches.

My stats:
Weight: 18oz (0.51kg)
Length of haft: 34.5'' (88cm) Blade: 8'' (20cm) Blade edge to haft: 6''(15m)
PoB: 10'' (25.5cm) from top of haft.

Thin blade section, very sharp. Blade joining shaft wedged into haft head with a metal wedge or nail. Slightly curved haft aligned to the cutting edge.

Again never sure of Zulu provenance. I understand that the Zulus didn't use war axes that much and that those they did use were often supplied by the Shona or other peoples. The Zulu axes I have seen seem to favour more angular blades.
I do have a question about this as well. The 7 small notches cut in the haft....crafty marketing ploy on the part of the craftsman who made this , or something more sinister?

kronckew · 22nd December 2015, 08:51 PM

no, that's a fairly std. ceremonial axe. the one i'm after is the one with the green background below, or similar. i have a nice chevron shaped axe with a heavy battle blade, also below with the red background. it's been cleaned, rust stabilised, and oiled since.

the zulu demanded weapons from subjected tribes in tribute, so they did use a lot of shona/xhosa. shaka frowned on the use of axes in battle as he was trying to standardize on the iklwa for his regiments, much like roman legionaries were. a volley of throwing spears followed by an advance with short stabbing weapons was not just effective in rome, but in south africa as well. the axe, like the iwisa was relegated to mostly ceremonial use as a badge of authority at the time. older battle ones are harder to find.

kronckew · 4th January 2016, 10:42 PM

just found the stabbing isizenze i was looking for, should be with me in about a week

it has the asymetrical blade on it like the iklwa we started discussing earlier in the thread.
more photos & details in it's own thread

22nd December 2015, 06:16 PM	#2
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Shakethetrees Are these the notches you are referring to? Attached Images

22nd December 2015, 07:00 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	robertguy's closeup of the blade/shaft transition was a bit fuzzy. i see now he's added clearer photos showing the distinctive zulu notch. mine looks like the attached, tho my blade is of the more expected shallow diamond x-section. as noted, i also have not heard of zulu iklwa without the notches, and they all are tanged rather than socketed. the joint is usually re-enforced with wire work as in my case, or a degloved cow/calf tail skin applied wet then dried to a tight seamless fit. edited: robert added clear photos of the notch as i was composing. i've seen photos of zulu stabbing axes with the asymmetrical forging like yours on the blade. Attached Images

22nd December 2015, 07:17 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	my zulu/shona isizence axe with similar forging on the blade. this is a 12.5 long toy or dancing axe, i'm still looking for a full sized one Attached Images

22nd December 2015, 08:51 PM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	no, that's a fairly std. ceremonial axe. the one i'm after is the one with the green background below, or similar. i have a nice chevron shaped axe with a heavy battle blade, also below with the red background. it's been cleaned, rust stabilised, and oiled since. the zulu demanded weapons from subjected tribes in tribute, so they did use a lot of shona/xhosa. shaka frowned on the use of axes in battle as he was trying to standardize on the iklwa for his regiments, much like roman legionaries were. a volley of throwing spears followed by an advance with short stabbing weapons was not just effective in rome, but in south africa as well. the axe, like the iwisa was relegated to mostly ceremonial use as a badge of authority at the time. older battle ones are harder to find. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 22nd December 2015 at 09:49 PM.

4th January 2016, 10:42 PM	#9
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	just found the stabbing isizenze i was looking for, should be with me in about a week it has the asymetrical blade on it like the iklwa we started discussing earlier in the thread. more photos & details in it's own thread Attached Images

22nd December 2015, 04:19 PM	#1
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	An asymmetrically forged blade is more characteristicly from northern areas spreading out from the Sahel and south, east to west coasts. I've not seen it on Zulu weapons, but wouldn't be surprised to. One thing I've noticed in my pursuit of Zulu assegai is a small notch at the base of each edge filed into the shank. It can be very boldly done or very subtle, but if even a vestige of this notch is there, I'm pretty comfortable with it. I don't ever recall ever seeing mention of this on the forum or in books. Using my criteria, the asymmetrically forged blade with the base notch is an interesting variation.

22nd December 2015, 06:51 PM	#3
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	Yes. A totally unnecessary bit of work for a well functioning spear, but there's probably a tradition or custom that dictates this is added. It is more than just defining the junction of the blade and shaft, because I've seen this groove with file or abrasive stoning marks, so there is some deliberate work here. A vestigial indication of earlier forms or techniques.

22nd December 2015, 07:10 PM	#5
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Sorry duplicate post