Help required to identify these two swords

Miguel · 10th December 2015, 07:35 PM

Sword with marks.
O/L in scabbard is 43 ins
O/L out of scabbard is 41 ins.
Blade length is 35.25.
Blade width is 1.25 ins

Hotspur · 11th December 2015, 02:17 AM

These both appear to be generic examples of the French 1822 light cavvalry sword. Likely produced in Solingen from many shops. Hundreds of thousands were produced and as late as the 29th century. A great many were exported and completely unmarked.

Some have cord under the leather instead of grooved wood and I would think that the use of cord was simply a production shortcut. My generic example was made in that fashion.

Cheers

GC

RobertGuy · 11th December 2015, 08:18 AM

Just to add that the US m1840 and m1860 cavalry sabres were based on this design and a good many unmarked examples were exported to both sides in the American Civil War.

Lee · 11th December 2015, 01:40 PM

I can see traces of a blade marking on the image with a rack number on the hilt and closer examination of that may confirm or change the attribution.

Miguel · 13th December 2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

I can see traces of a blade marking on the image with a rack number on the hilt and closer examination of that may confirm or change the attribution.

Hi Lee,
Thank you for your reply, I wish they were markings but I am afraid that what look like traces of markings are in fact blemishes. I would be grateful if you would explain what " rack number" as I would like to know what these marks signify.
Regards
Miguel

Miguel · 13th December 2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy

Just to add that the US m1840 and m1860 cavalry sabres were based on this design and a good many unmarked examples were exported to both sides in the American Civil War.

Hello Mr Guy,

Thanks for your reply, it would be nice to be able to confirm that these swords were US M1840 or M1860 Cavalry Sabres, shades of John Wayne leading the charge, but without manufacturers or regimental markings I guess it will prove difficult. Thanks again for your reply and now that I am armed with Yours and Hotspurs info I will be able to carry out further research.
Regards
Miguel

Miguel · 13th December 2015, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotspur

These both appear to be generic examples of the French 1822 light cavvalry sword. Likely produced in Solingen from many shops. Hundreds of thousands were produced and as late as the 29th century. A great many were exported and completely unmarked.

Some have cord under the leather instead of grooved wood and I would think that the use of cord was simply a production shortcut. My generic example was made in that fashion.

Cheers

GC

Hi Hotspur,
Thank you for the information, I am much obliged.
Regards
Miguel

10th December 2015, 07:35 PM	#1
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Sword with marks. O/L in scabbard is 43 ins O/L out of scabbard is 41 ins. Blade length is 35.25. Blade width is 1.25 ins Attached Images

11th December 2015, 02:17 AM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 523	These both appear to be generic examples of the French 1822 light cavvalry sword. Likely produced in Solingen from many shops. Hundreds of thousands were produced and as late as the 29th century. A great many were exported and completely unmarked. Some have cord under the leather instead of grooved wood and I would think that the use of cord was simply a production shortcut. My generic example was made in that fashion. Cheers GC

11th December 2015, 08:18 AM	#3
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Just to add that the US m1840 and m1860 cavalry sabres were based on this design and a good many unmarked examples were exported to both sides in the American Civil War.

11th December 2015, 01:40 PM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	I can see traces of a blade marking on the image with a rack number on the hilt and closer examination of that may confirm or change the attribution.