A whole lot of keris!

Mans · 10th January 2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Hi Mans. Thanks for more of you generously illustrated posts. Pictures help so much, though not quite as much as hands-on.

Hi Nechesh,

If you near from me, I will borrowing my keris and sending it to you. So, you can hands-on it all

But, I think you has many collections too, didn't you

?

Indeed that too many Dapur on the Javanese Keris. At book with tittle Keris (Daya Magic - Manfaat - Tuah - Misteri) wrote that the dapur of Javanese keris made amount 819 kinds. Too much kinds, isn't it ? So that often can make us confused, included me

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Some Dapur has no name yet because not wrote at any literatures or Pakem of the Javanese keris. So, if we found the keris which has no Pakem, we called it as Kalawijan. But, many keris can be identified. Like the differences between Ron Teki with Kebo Teki or Mahesa Teki. "Kebo" is same with "Mahesa", mean Buffalo. Keris Kebo Teki and Ron Teki has the longer Gandik than usual keris. But Kebo Teki has no Kembang Kacang. In the other side, Ron Teki has Kembang Kacang on the Gandik.

Here I posted the pictures ;
1st : Kebo Teki / Mahesa Teki
2nd : Kebo Lajer / Mahesa Lajer
3th : Ron Teki
4th : Dhuwung
5th : Kebo Giri / Mahesa Kanthong

Lew · 11th January 2006, 02:34 AM

Here are three more keris from that batch they all seem old and etched quite a bit. The naga seems to be missing a peice.

Lew

nechesh · 11th January 2006, 04:11 AM

Lew, i believe that is a Singa, not a Naga, a lion in a seated position. It does appear to be missing it's gonjo, which is a shame since you don't see too many actually old examples of these blades.

Alam Shah · 11th January 2006, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Lew, i believe that is a Singa, not a Naga, a lion in a seated position. It does appear to be missing it's gonjo, which is a shame since you don't see too many actually old examples of these blades.

It's a Singa Barong. It's right leg seems to have came off a little. The ganja is missing, but can be remade, if you wanted to.

I especially like the short Palembang piece and the one marked no.2 by Mans.
Up close, some of these kerisses are of good quality, less missing its fittings. Congrats! on obtaining these.

Lew · 11th January 2006, 04:23 PM

What types/styles of hilts should I be looking at to make the restorations on these keris? The small keris up top only has a 2 inch tang is that a problem?

Lew

nechesh · 11th January 2006, 08:10 PM

Ah, now there's the rub. Certainly each of these blades fits into a regional catagory with it's own cultural considerations. But within those catagories you have many options of style and form. So many choices, so little time.

Alam Shah · 12th January 2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

What types/styles of hilts should I be looking at to make the restorations on these keris? The small keris up top only has a 2 inch tang is that a problem?
Lew

The 2 inch tang is normal for this form.

Here's a good resource for forms according to region:
http://blade.japet.com/KERIS.htm

The pictures, would illustrate enough for you to understand the form.
Although it's in French, you can use this translator:
http://world.altavista.com/

nechesh · 12th January 2006, 04:06 AM

Lew, i wonder if your Sumatran keris patrem isn't from Minangkabau. The Minangkabau people have a unique matriarchal society and i would think that the patrem might actually be more common there considering this social structure. This keris has some of the elements i have seen on other patrem from the area. If you check out Adni's site you will see a few for the area that he has had recently.

11th January 2006, 02:34 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here are three more keris from that batch they all seem old and etched quite a bit. The naga seems to be missing a peice. Lew Attached Images

11th January 2006, 04:11 AM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Lew, i believe that is a Singa, not a Naga, a lion in a seated position. It does appear to be missing it's gonjo, which is a shame since you don't see too many actually old examples of these blades.

11th January 2006, 04:23 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	What types/styles of hilts should I be looking at to make the restorations on these keris? The small keris up top only has a 2 inch tang is that a problem? Lew

11th January 2006, 08:10 PM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Ah, now there's the rub. Certainly each of these blades fits into a regional catagory with it's own cultural considerations. But within those catagories you have many options of style and form. So many choices, so little time.

12th January 2006, 04:06 AM	#8
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Lew, i wonder if your Sumatran keris patrem isn't from Minangkabau. The Minangkabau people have a unique matriarchal society and i would think that the patrem might actually be more common there considering this social structure. This keris has some of the elements i have seen on other patrem from the area. If you check out Adni's site you will see a few for the area that he has had recently.