Strange matchlock pistol for ID CHINA ?

rickystl · 27th November 2015, 06:33 PM

Hi Cerjak.
I have never seen another pistol like it. It may indeed be the only one known to exist. It would be interesting to know the theory for mounting the locks on the Left side. Hmmmm

Rick.

Cerjak · 28th November 2015, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Cerjak.
I have never seen another pistol like it. It may indeed be the only one known to exist. It would be interesting to know the theory for mounting the locks on the Left side. Hmmmm

Rick.

Yes RICK

I have started this thread in december 2012 so It had took 3 years for ID this pistol but I will continue looking for similar pistol ,hopping that a day
I will find more information.
Thank you for your support.

Cerjak

Cerjak · 10th December 2015, 06:41 PM

Today this pistol joined my collection so I can post more pictures.I have discovered that the collection from Anthony C. Tirrisold was sold by Czerny’s in 2009 so this pistol come formally from this collection.
I still trying to find documentation about similar lock system and I hope that in the forum somebody will be able to bring some input about the firearms from Ceylon.
BEST
Cerjak

rickystl · 19th December 2015, 05:59 PM

Hi Cerjak!
First of all.......my congratulations!!! What a wonderful - and super interesting - addition to your collection. WOW !!!

Nice photos too. A couple of questions:
1. Does the lock function as a "snapping" type similar to a Japanese matchlock ? I can see where part of the serpentine pushes the pan cover forward upon release.
2. Does the trigger pull backward to release as normal? Or does it push forward to release?

Thanks so much for Posting.

Rick.

Cerjak · 19th December 2015, 08:16 PM

Hi Rick ,
Thank you very much for your interest.
Actually when one pushes the trigger, the pan cover moves backward and the serpentine get closer to the pan. When one releases the trigger the pan cover moves back to its normal position, and so does the serpentine.
Therefore its an automatic pan cover mechanism.
Did you notice Anthony C. Tirri", pag 460 fig 322 about imitation damascus stell ?
If a day you find more information about similar system please let me know.
Best
Cerjak

rickystl · 19th December 2015, 09:55 PM

Hi Cerjak.
Oh, I see. Now I know why the trigger looks backwards. LOL So you push the trigger forward rather than pulling it backwards. Now it makes sense.
So the lock is mounted on the left side, and the trigger is pushed rather than pulled. The exact opposite of other guns. That is certainly the most curious gun I've ever seen. Don't know how I missed that in Tirri's book. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I can imagine what an interesting display that gun would make at the Baltimore Antique Arms Show. LOL A real curiosity.
Again, congratulations!!
Rick.

estcrh · 19th December 2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Cerjak.
It would be interesting to know the theory for mounting the locks on the Left side. Hmmmm

Rick.

Here are two interesting drawings.

rickystl · 20th December 2015, 04:20 PM

I wonder what the theory is with everything being done from the Left side. Curious.
Rick.

Cerjak · 21st December 2015, 09:21 AM

Hi estcrh,

Very interesting .From where did you find this pictures ?

Best

Cerjak

estcrh · 21st December 2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi estcrh,

Very interesting .From where did you find this pictures ?

Best

Cerjak

Matchlocks
https://sirimunasiha.wordpress.com/a...la-matchlocks/

Flintlocks
https://sirimunasiha.wordpress.com/a...the-sinhalese/

Muskets and cannon
https://sirimunasiha.wordpress.com/t...-in-sri-lanka/

David R · 22nd December 2015, 12:14 AM

Left side lock and a push trigger! Could this be a more standard type lock, meant to be on the right side and with a pull trigger, mounted on the left for a particular customer or purpose?

Ian · 22nd December 2015, 05:35 AM

Cerjak,

Tirri says that the monogram reads "AT," which happen to be his own initials. Is it possible that he had the gun engraved with his own monogram? That would be odd, and he would likely have said so in his book, but it is a strange coincidence that his initials are the same as the monogram on the gun.

Ian.

10th December 2015, 06:41 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Today this pistol joined my collection so I can post more pictures.I have discovered that the collection from Anthony C. Tirrisold was sold by Czerny’s in 2009 so this pistol come formally from this collection. I still trying to find documentation about similar lock system and I hope that in the forum somebody will be able to bring some input about the firearms from Ceylon. BEST Cerjak Attached Images Last edited by Cerjak; 10th December 2015 at 06:56 PM.

19th December 2015, 08:16 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Rick , Thank you very much for your interest. Actually when one pushes the trigger, the pan cover moves backward and the serpentine get closer to the pan. When one releases the trigger the pan cover moves back to its normal position, and so does the serpentine. Therefore its an automatic pan cover mechanism. Did you notice Anthony C. Tirri", pag 460 fig 322 about imitation damascus stell ? If a day you find more information about similar system please let me know. Best Cerjak Attached Images

27th November 2015, 06:33 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Cerjak. I have never seen another pistol like it. It may indeed be the only one known to exist. It would be interesting to know the theory for mounting the locks on the Left side. Hmmmm Rick.

19th December 2015, 05:59 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Cerjak! First of all.......my congratulations!!! What a wonderful - and super interesting - addition to your collection. WOW !!! Nice photos too. A couple of questions: 1. Does the lock function as a "snapping" type similar to a Japanese matchlock ? I can see where part of the serpentine pushes the pan cover forward upon release. 2. Does the trigger pull backward to release as normal? Or does it push forward to release? Thanks so much for Posting. Rick.

19th December 2015, 09:55 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Cerjak. Oh, I see. Now I know why the trigger looks backwards. LOL So you push the trigger forward rather than pulling it backwards. Now it makes sense. So the lock is mounted on the left side, and the trigger is pushed rather than pulled. The exact opposite of other guns. That is certainly the most curious gun I've ever seen. Don't know how I missed that in Tirri's book. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I can imagine what an interesting display that gun would make at the Baltimore Antique Arms Show. LOL A real curiosity. Again, congratulations!! Rick.

20th December 2015, 04:20 PM	#8
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	I wonder what the theory is with everything being done from the Left side. Curious. Rick.

21st December 2015, 09:21 AM	#9
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi estcrh, Very interesting .From where did you find this pictures ? Best Cerjak

22nd December 2015, 12:14 AM	#11
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,121	Left side lock and a push trigger! Could this be a more standard type lock, meant to be on the right side and with a pull trigger, mounted on the left for a particular customer or purpose?

22nd December 2015, 05:35 AM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Cerjak, Tirri says that the monogram reads "AT," which happen to be his own initials. Is it possible that he had the gun engraved with his own monogram? That would be odd, and he would likely have said so in his book, but it is a strange coincidence that his initials are the same as the monogram on the gun. Ian.