Massim "sword club"

kronckew · 31st October 2015, 05:08 PM

the definitive series by vandoo "MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS" 1-4 is a masterpiece and should be read by all clubbers, along with anything else he's posted.

tim's thread on massim sword clubs is also worth looking at, and shows some examples very similar to the original poster's here in this thread. just do a forum search on 'massim'.

Tim Simmons · 31st October 2015, 05:26 PM

I have only had time for these rather hasty pictures that I have been meaning to post here, to show how massive they can be. It has clear signs of metal tools. These over sized clubs are made for a festival dance. I have been informed as to the name of this festival. I have it somewhere in my email history. Will add it. Should be seen in the same light as the over sized Fijian clubs.

Tim Simmons · 1st November 2015, 08:45 AM

The information was less an I thought. Just that made for dance and the holes are for banana leave tassles pre 1920.

VANDOO · 2nd November 2015, 05:49 AM

THE FIRST CLUBS DESCRIBED AS MASSIM I EVER SAW WERE THE LARGE ONES WITH THE BLUNT END TO THE BLADE SUCH AS TIM AND KRONCKEW SHOW. THE OLDER ONES WERE USUALLY CARVED IN A PATTERN SIMILAR TO THE ONE SHOWN WITH THE LIME INLAY. THE SMALL THIN MORE SWORD LIKE ONES MAY HAVE BEEN AROUND LONGER BUT I DIDN'T START SEEING THEM UNTIL AROUND 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO.
THE MASSIM PEOPLE HAVE LONG BEEN CONSIDERED EXCELLENT WOOD CARVERS AND HAVE SEVERAL TYPICAL DESIGNS THAT HELP IDENTIFY THEIR CARVINGS. ONE ITEM THAT IS WIDELY COLLECTED FROM THE MASSIM ARE LIME SPATULAS SOME OF WHICH ARE VERY ORNATE AND WELL CARVED.
THE CARVING ON THE FIRST CLUB IN THIS POST IS NOT UP TO MASSIM CARVING STANDARDS, THE PATTERNS ARE RANDOM AND NOT SHARPLY OR WELL CARVED. PERHAPS A AMATEUR CARVER OR NON-MASSIM CARVER ?. OR HAVING ACCESS TO NO GOOD SHARP CARVING TOOLS COULD HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT THIS RESULT.? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE MASSIM HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OBSIDIAN IN PRE-CONTACT TIMES , WHICH MAY EXPLAIN THEIR SUPERIOR CARVINGS.
AS TO THESE BEING DANCE CLUBS,

TODAY ALL CLUBS ARE DANCE CLUBS EVEN THOSE USED IN GOLF WHERE THE VICTORY AND TANTRUM DANCE CAN SOMETIMES BE SEEN.

BUT IN THE PAST THESE CLUBS WERE FOR WAR AS WELL AS DANCE. HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF VARIATIONS OF MASSIM CLUBS.
#1 AND #2. , 40.5 INCH MASSIM SWORD FORM CLUB
#3. ONE WIDE BLUNT FORM AND TWO SMALLER POINTED FORMS.
#4, #5. & #6. MASSIM SWORD CLUB 56 CM. LONG
#7 & #8. 33.5 INCH LONG MASSIM CLUB
#9. 23 IN. MASSIM CLUB
#10, #11, & #12. 44.5 CM. LONG MASSIM CLUB.

VANDOO · 3rd November 2015, 12:49 AM

HERE ARE A FEW MORE MASSIM CLUBS FOR REFERENCE. THERE ARE VARIATIONS IN THESE CLUBS WHICH MIGHT INDICATE WHICH GROUP, ISLAND OR TIME PERIOD THEY COME FROM. UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT HAVE THE REFERENCES OR KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THESE DISTINCTIONS. PERHAPS SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN THESE CLUBS WILL PASS BY IN FUTURE AND CLEAR THINGS UP FOR US.

NOTE THAT A COUPLE OF THE CLUBS HAVE A SIMPLER CARVED DESIGN MUCH LIKE THOSE SEEN IN FIJI OR SAMOA.

#1. 21.5 LONG X 3.34 INCHES WIDE
#2. RATHER PLAIN OLD CLUB.
#3., #4. & #5. CLUB 95 CM. LONG
#6. PICTURE IN A OLDER BOOK OF A MASSIM CLUB
#7, #8. MASSIM CLUB CIRCA 1930'S , 31 INCHES LONG
#9, #10. MASSIM CLUB 29 INCHES LONG
#11. MASSIM CLUB. 24 INCHES LONG.
#12. VARIATION OF A OLD MASSIM CLUB

VANDOO · 3rd November 2015, 03:11 AM

I HAVE BEEN GATHERING PICTURES OF THESE FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A REFERENCE POST BUT HERE IS AS GOOD A PLACE AS ANY TO PUT IT. THIS IS ALL I HAVE AT PRESENT BUT PERHAPS I WILL ADD MORE IN FUTURE. EVERYONE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO AND BUILD THE REFERENCE.
#1., #2., #3. NICE OLD MASSIM CLUB FROM AN AUCTION, SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE ONE PICTURED IN THE BOOK PAGE POSTED ABOVE.
#4., #5. MASSIM CLUB , 64 CM. LONG
# 6. PICTURE OF ENTIRE MASSIM CLUB WITH FIJI STYLE DESIGNS AS SHOWN IN ABOVE POST.
#7. UNUSUAL MASSIM STYLE CLUB CRUDE FORM
# 8. MASSIM CLUB 70 CM. LONG
#9. MASSIM CLUB ESTIMATED 1900 TO 1930, 37 INCHES LONG.

31st October 2015, 05:08 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	the definitive series by vandoo "MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS" 1-4 is a masterpiece and should be read by all clubbers, along with anything else he's posted. tim's thread on massim sword clubs is also worth looking at, and shows some examples very similar to the original poster's here in this thread. just do a forum search on 'massim'.

31st October 2015, 05:26 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	I have only had time for these rather hasty pictures that I have been meaning to post here, to show how massive they can be. It has clear signs of metal tools. These over sized clubs are made for a festival dance. I have been informed as to the name of this festival. I have it somewhere in my email history. Will add it. Should be seen in the same light as the over sized Fijian clubs. Attached Images

1st November 2015, 08:45 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	The information was less an I thought. Just that made for dance and the holes are for banana leave tassles pre 1920.

2nd November 2015, 05:49 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE FIRST CLUBS DESCRIBED AS MASSIM I EVER SAW WERE THE LARGE ONES WITH THE BLUNT END TO THE BLADE SUCH AS TIM AND KRONCKEW SHOW. THE OLDER ONES WERE USUALLY CARVED IN A PATTERN SIMILAR TO THE ONE SHOWN WITH THE LIME INLAY. THE SMALL THIN MORE SWORD LIKE ONES MAY HAVE BEEN AROUND LONGER BUT I DIDN'T START SEEING THEM UNTIL AROUND 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO. THE MASSIM PEOPLE HAVE LONG BEEN CONSIDERED EXCELLENT WOOD CARVERS AND HAVE SEVERAL TYPICAL DESIGNS THAT HELP IDENTIFY THEIR CARVINGS. ONE ITEM THAT IS WIDELY COLLECTED FROM THE MASSIM ARE LIME SPATULAS SOME OF WHICH ARE VERY ORNATE AND WELL CARVED. THE CARVING ON THE FIRST CLUB IN THIS POST IS NOT UP TO MASSIM CARVING STANDARDS, THE PATTERNS ARE RANDOM AND NOT SHARPLY OR WELL CARVED. PERHAPS A AMATEUR CARVER OR NON-MASSIM CARVER ?. OR HAVING ACCESS TO NO GOOD SHARP CARVING TOOLS COULD HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT THIS RESULT.? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE MASSIM HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OBSIDIAN IN PRE-CONTACT TIMES , WHICH MAY EXPLAIN THEIR SUPERIOR CARVINGS. AS TO THESE BEING DANCE CLUBS, TODAY ALL CLUBS ARE DANCE CLUBS EVEN THOSE USED IN GOLF WHERE THE VICTORY AND TANTRUM DANCE CAN SOMETIMES BE SEEN. BUT IN THE PAST THESE CLUBS WERE FOR WAR AS WELL AS DANCE. HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF VARIATIONS OF MASSIM CLUBS. #1 AND #2. , 40.5 INCH MASSIM SWORD FORM CLUB #3. ONE WIDE BLUNT FORM AND TWO SMALLER POINTED FORMS. #4, #5. & #6. MASSIM SWORD CLUB 56 CM. LONG #7 & #8. 33.5 INCH LONG MASSIM CLUB #9. 23 IN. MASSIM CLUB #10, #11, & #12. 44.5 CM. LONG MASSIM CLUB. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 3rd November 2015 at 12:31 AM.

3rd November 2015, 12:49 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE A FEW MORE MASSIM CLUBS FOR REFERENCE. THERE ARE VARIATIONS IN THESE CLUBS WHICH MIGHT INDICATE WHICH GROUP, ISLAND OR TIME PERIOD THEY COME FROM. UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT HAVE THE REFERENCES OR KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THESE DISTINCTIONS. PERHAPS SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN THESE CLUBS WILL PASS BY IN FUTURE AND CLEAR THINGS UP FOR US. NOTE THAT A COUPLE OF THE CLUBS HAVE A SIMPLER CARVED DESIGN MUCH LIKE THOSE SEEN IN FIJI OR SAMOA. #1. 21.5 LONG X 3.34 INCHES WIDE #2. RATHER PLAIN OLD CLUB. #3., #4. & #5. CLUB 95 CM. LONG #6. PICTURE IN A OLDER BOOK OF A MASSIM CLUB #7, #8. MASSIM CLUB CIRCA 1930'S , 31 INCHES LONG #9, #10. MASSIM CLUB 29 INCHES LONG #11. MASSIM CLUB. 24 INCHES LONG. #12. VARIATION OF A OLD MASSIM CLUB Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 3rd November 2015 at 01:02 AM.

3rd November 2015, 03:11 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE BEEN GATHERING PICTURES OF THESE FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A REFERENCE POST BUT HERE IS AS GOOD A PLACE AS ANY TO PUT IT. THIS IS ALL I HAVE AT PRESENT BUT PERHAPS I WILL ADD MORE IN FUTURE. EVERYONE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO AND BUILD THE REFERENCE. #1., #2., #3. NICE OLD MASSIM CLUB FROM AN AUCTION, SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE ONE PICTURED IN THE BOOK PAGE POSTED ABOVE. #4., #5. MASSIM CLUB , 64 CM. LONG # 6. PICTURE OF ENTIRE MASSIM CLUB WITH FIJI STYLE DESIGNS AS SHOWN IN ABOVE POST. #7. UNUSUAL MASSIM STYLE CLUB CRUDE FORM # 8. MASSIM CLUB 70 CM. LONG #9. MASSIM CLUB ESTIMATED 1900 TO 1930, 37 INCHES LONG. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 3rd November 2015 at 03:25 AM.