Jambiya thouma

Kubur · 21st October 2015, 07:48 PM

Hi Miguel,

Thank you very much, up to now you are the only one who tried to help.
I hope that you are joking about your jambiya! The first hadrami one is excellent!! It's a really good one. I'm more sceptical about the second one quiete recent. For the last one, difficult to say as it's an Indian jambiya and I know nothing about this kind, the shape looks good.
Unfortuntaly it's not what i was loooking for.

Kind regards,
Kubur

Oriental-Arms · 22nd October 2015, 01:17 PM

Three classical Thouma Jambiya daggers. All late 19 - early 20C. Rhino horn hilts and silver mounts. Each one shown complete with the belt fully extended and a close up on the dagger and scabbard. Enjoy

Kubur · 22nd October 2015, 01:29 PM

Thank you very much
I was starting to think that the old members and dealers weren't so involved to help people. You proved me that I was wrong. But I'm still very disappointed by the Forum.

DaveA · 22nd October 2015, 05:57 PM

For your consideration, here is one of my Yemeni jambiya, pre-1920. The thumah style scabbard extends downward without the strong degree of curvature found in the 'aseeb style scabbard. The thumah ends in a traditional silver-ball type decoration called a "kawthara". An exquisite silver plate, called a "tuza", decorates the thumah. On the rear of the thumah is found a small metal piece bearing the name of the creator. This confirms a data of manufacture prior to 1920 when it became forbidden to sign jewelry of any kind in Yemen. This type of jambiya is sometimes referred to as a tuza.

The tuza jambiya was reserved for the religious elite of the country, including those who claimed direct descent from the Prophet Muhammad (BBHN). Imams and those especially learned individuals who served as judges, teachers or administrators for the Imam also wore the thumah. The thumah-scabbard of dignitaries and townsmen of high degree (seyyids and qådis) is often dark, offering high contrast with the ornate silver decoration.

- Dave A.

DaveA · 22nd October 2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you very much
I was starting to think that the old members and dealers weren't so involved to help people. You proved me that I was wrong. But I'm still very disappointed by the Forum.

I've put a couple of very interesting articles about Yemeni jambiya in my dropbox. You can find them for download at the following link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxznitnfa...wvyKkcUja?dl=0

Please let me know if you have trouble downloading them. Contact me by PM with your email address and I'll be happy to send them.

Best,

Dave A.

kahnjar1 · 22nd October 2015, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveA

I've put a couple of very interesting articles about Yemeni jambiya in my dropbox. You can find them for download at the following link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxznitnfa...wvyKkcUja?dl=0

Please let me know if you have trouble downloading them. Contact me by PM with your email address and I'll be happy to send them.

Best,

Dave A.

Thanks for posting these Dave. I already have copies of these in my library, and I would recommend that those interested in the subject, print off a hard copy for future reference. The one on Silverwork is particularly interesting.
Stu

DaveA · 22nd October 2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Thanks for posting these Dave. I already have copies of these in my library, and I would recommend that those interested in the subject, print off a hard copy for future reference. The one on Silverwork is particularly interesting.
Stu

I just added another file to this folder that might be useful. It is a glossary of Yemeni terms related to various types and parts of janbiya and scabbards.

- Dave A.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxznitnfa...wvyKkcUja?dl=0

Miguel · 22nd October 2015, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveA

I just added another file to this folder that might be useful. It is a glossary of Yemeni terms related to various types and parts of janbiya and scabbards.

- Dave A.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxznitnfa...wvyKkcUja?dl=0

Hi Kubur, Glad to see that you are getting the info you requested. Miguel
ps Sorry I clicked wrong button should have been the reply not the quote.

Kubur · 23rd October 2015, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveA

I just added another file to this folder that might be useful. It is a glossary of Yemeni terms related to various types and parts of janbiya and scabbards.

- Dave A.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxznitnfa...wvyKkcUja?dl=0

Dear Dave,

Thank you so much for your example, your posts and your files.
It's very much appreciated and so useful.
At one point, your jambiya added to my confusion.
I've seen somewhere on the forum that the jambiya with this drawings and inscriptions on the blades are very much connected to Jewish work from the 1950ties... And the filigree work looks very different from the filigree work posted by Oriental Arms. The stamp at the back is a silver proof? Do they still use this silver proof in Yemen? On Gracie's book there is a silver proof with a very old date...

Best wishes,
Kubur

kahnjar1 · 22nd October 2015, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you very much
I was starting to think that the old members and dealers weren't so involved to help people. You proved me that I was wrong. But I'm still very disappointed by the Forum.

You may see the Forum as disappointing, but remember that not all Members are on line every day.

Tim Simmons · 22nd October 2015, 08:12 PM

Kubur, the answers are not on the forum. You have to do your own work and teach us all {those that are interested} I do apologise for my own jaded view on some material.

kahnjar1 · 23rd October 2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Kubur, the answers are not on the forum. You have to do your own work and teach us all {those that are interested} I do apologise for my own jaded view on some material.

I agree with Tim. SOME information is often available on the Forum, but most is gleaned by reading and searching other sites on the internet.
I am a little surprised that you are having trouble finding information on Thouma Jambiyas as you say you have Steve Gracie's book. He describes these, and other styles at length.

Kubur · 23rd October 2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

I agree with Tim. SOME information is often available on the Forum, but most is gleaned by reading and searching other sites on the internet.
I am a little surprised that you are having trouble finding information on Thouma Jambiyas as you say you have Steve Gracie's book. He describes these, and other styles at length.

Hi All,

Thanks you for your comments and constructive answers.
Steve Gracie's book is excellent and after?
Do you think that it's a bible with all the answers? It's not.
For the question of research, unfortunately as I have read on some threads on the forum, many members don't know what research is. And I won't do this job. Gracie shows very interesting old jambiya with dates, but then most of the jambiya are described by type and area. It's really good, but I would like to have more information about the differences between 19th c. jambiya, 1920ties and 1950ties jambiya. I'm not interested by the later ones.

22nd October 2015, 01:17 PM	#2
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Three classical Thouma Jambiya daggers. All late 19 - early 20C. Rhino horn hilts and silver mounts. Each one shown complete with the belt fully extended and a close up on the dagger and scabbard. Enjoy Attached Images

22nd October 2015, 05:57 PM	#4
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 424	Thumah style scabbard with tuza For your consideration, here is one of my Yemeni jambiya, pre-1920. The thumah style scabbard extends downward without the strong degree of curvature found in the 'aseeb style scabbard. The thumah ends in a traditional silver-ball type decoration called a "kawthara". An exquisite silver plate, called a "tuza", decorates the thumah. On the rear of the thumah is found a small metal piece bearing the name of the creator. This confirms a data of manufacture prior to 1920 when it became forbidden to sign jewelry of any kind in Yemen. This type of jambiya is sometimes referred to as a tuza. The tuza jambiya was reserved for the religious elite of the country, including those who claimed direct descent from the Prophet Muhammad (BBHN). Imams and those especially learned individuals who served as judges, teachers or administrators for the Imam also wore the thumah. The thumah-scabbard of dignitaries and townsmen of high degree (seyyids and qådis) is often dark, offering high contrast with the ornate silver decoration. - Dave A. Attached Images

22nd October 2015, 08:12 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	research Kubur, the answers are not on the forum. You have to do your own work and teach us all {those that are interested} I do apologise for my own jaded view on some material.

21st October 2015, 07:48 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Miguel, Thank you very much, up to now you are the only one who tried to help. I hope that you are joking about your jambiya! The first hadrami one is excellent!! It's a really good one. I'm more sceptical about the second one quiete recent. For the last one, difficult to say as it's an Indian jambiya and I know nothing about this kind, the shape looks good. Unfortuntaly it's not what i was loooking for. Kind regards, Kubur

22nd October 2015, 01:29 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you very much I was starting to think that the old members and dealers weren't so involved to help people. You proved me that I was wrong. But I'm still very disappointed by the Forum.