dagger series nr4 THE BALLOCK

[RobertGuy]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

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Michael

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement. Are you claiming ownership of all photos posted here whoever posts them unless they specifically claim copyright?

[fernando]

Originally Posted by RobertGuy

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement. Are you claiming ownership of all photos posted here whoever posts them unless they specifically claim copyright?

Michael is not with us any longer, to answer your question, Robert; he has passed away last July. Just don't let that statement worry you.

[cornelistromp]

for few other types please see;

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gryphon

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=dagger+river

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series


and


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19167


best,
jasper

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams, cornelistromp ...It is a pleasure to see what is probably the finest research resource for these weapons ... our own library. Thank you cornelistromp ... I actually sourced your second reference "jade quillons" when I was looking at another form from another location where they claimed it was Persian...

What I find most interesting is how these stiletto blades adopted or morphed in tandem with fashion changes across Europe not only in Rondel form etc but onward and into the design of the later Scottish Dirk.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by RobertGuy

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement. Are you claiming ownership of all photos posted here whoever posts them unless they specifically claim copyright?

The site policy is stated at the bottom of every forum page: "Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here."

That license only covers the appearance of the material in the thread where the poster placed it and exists to preserve the archival integrity of this resource.

Matchlock came under intense pressures owing to a disastrous sequence of events of failing health leading to his unfortunate and early demise and the content of some of his posts during this tragic downward spiral likely reflect pharmaceutical side effects.

[cornelistromp]

two ground finds from the Netherlands of this type

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

How about a drawer full... like this...

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

How about a drawer full... like this...

@ Ibrahiim
would you please when you post an image specify the source and content.
This often says much more than the image alone.
thus etching and drawing when, where and by whom. Bottom find the site,(tomb) effigy the person and place and so on.

these english ballock dagger grip artifacts are discovered in 1971 in the mary rose warship wreck. they are of a different type as the continental daggers under #1 and also of a later date; first half of he 16thC.
They have a simpler blade geometry, 3 planes.

this type has more the shape and appearance of a phallus than its predecessor, the type was also popular in the Low Countries.
See an archaeological discovery from Netherlands, Dronten, Flevoland 1971

In General hard burl wood remains remarkably well preserved in the soil and water, fe all three daggers in post # 1 are finds from Netherlands.

the wooden grip still has the smell of cigar boxes after 600 years.

best,

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

@ Ibrahiim
would you please when you post an image specify the source and content.
This often says much more than the image alone.
thus etching and drawing when, where and by whom. Bottom find the site,(tomb) effigy the person and place and so on.

these english ballock dagger grip artifacts are discovered in 1971 in the mary rose warship wreck. they are of a different type as the continental daggers under #1 and also of a later date; first half of he 16thC.
They have a simpler blade geometry, 3 planes.

this type has more the shape and appearance of a phallus than its predecessor, the type was also popular in the Low Countries.
See an archaeological discovery from Netherlands, Dronten, Flevoland 1971

In General hard burl wood remains remarkably well preserved in the soil and water, fe all three daggers in post # 1 are finds from Netherlands.

the wooden grip still has the smell of cigar boxes after 600 years.

best,

Salaams cornelistromp ,
THE MARY ROSE IT INDEED WAS... I LOADED IT ALL UP BUT AT THE CRITICAL MOMENT THE POWER DOVE BENEATH THE WAVES LIKE THE GREAT SHIP HERSELF... And I regret I lost the reference page...but I'm on it now and will search ...See below the mighty ship The Mary Rose. Inside there there's a drawer load of Bollock Daggers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose gives the amazing story yet I am unable to fish out the picture from Davy Jones Locker of the offending drawer load..

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[cornelistromp]

@Ibrahiim,
not mentioning the source and content was actually not indicative for the maryrose relics.
it was more the lack of citation of the art pictures of your post 15 and 16.
evidently also drawings from the 20th century which are rarely representative for medieval, 14th and 15th century arms.

Also the ballock type of post 1 does not apply on those images, however some nice other types do.
with the different dagger threads, I (try to) make a distinction between the various daggers, so also between different ballock daggers.
the type of what is being discussed here has a distinct geometric multistage blade, all likelihood resulting from the dagger legislation in the cities.
I was hoping for more examples and details of this specific type.
(attachment is from collection of Dutch army museum)


best,
Jasper