Wedung for sharing

[A. G. Maisey]

Nice wedung, but it does require some TLC to make it presentable.

Yes, I believe we're looking at 19th century, maybe late 18th, all the wedungs of comparable style to this one, that I have seen, have been Surakarta.

[David]

I agree with Alan in that this one needs a bit of TLC, but it seems fairly complete and i'm sure you have the touch Detlef.
I would like to eventual add one of these to my collection...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

I agree with Alan in that this one needs a bit of TLC, but it seems fairly complete and i'm sure you have the touch Detlef.
I would like to eventual add one of these to my collection...

Thank you David for your kind words and good luck by the hunting.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Detlef, my comment on origin is simply that, it is not a correction. Quite frankly I don't know where this wedung was made, but I have seen several similar, and those ones were Surakarta, so this one might be Surakarta, or it might be Jogjakarta, or it might be somewhere else.

My comment on age is only a general opinion, I cannot support this comment.

[Sajen]

Alan, noted like this before already, maybe I have expressed myself somewhat unfortunate. One other question, do you have an explanation for the drop like ornamentation on the scabbard? I have seen this on an other wedung scabbard before.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

No Detlef, I do not.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

No Detlef, I do not.

Thank you anyway Alan.

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

One other question, do you have an explanation for the drop like ornamentation on the scabbard? I have seen this on an other wedung scabbard before.

I am reviving this old thread because i accidentally stumbled upon some information that i don't believe has been stated here before. The question surrounding the ornamentation on this sheath has been brought up a few times, but never answered. But i did just come across the name for this motif that is found on many wedhung sheaths. Solyom calls this leaf-shaped feature "kudup turi" The "d" has a dot underneath which as i understand it has since been done away with in Javanese transcription, but indicates a "dh". So perhaps this should be written as "kudhup turi" today.
Anyway, while this doesn't actually solve the mystery, the name could be a possible clue to do so.
Alan, does this help your understanding of this motifs meaning, function or purpose any?

[Sajen]

Hello David,

Thank you for bringing up this old thread again.

Yes, we need to call Alan! In Bahasa Indonesia the translation is "to doze off", no really sense IMVHO!

Regards,
Detlef

[naturalist]

We, the Javanese, pronounce kudup as the pronounciation of "d" in "do" instead of "d" in "doubt", so it should be written as "kudup"

Originally Posted by David

I am reviving this old thread because i accidentally stumbled upon some information that i don't believe has been stated here before. The question surrounding the ornamentation on this sheath has been brought up a few times, but never answered. But i did just come across the name for this motif that is found on many wedhung sheaths. Solyom calls this leaf-shaped feature "kudup turi" The "d" has a dot underneath which as i understand it has since been done away with in Javanese transcription, but indicates a "dh". So perhaps this should be written as "kudhup turi" today.
Anyway, while this doesn't actually solve the mystery, the name could be a possible clue to do so.
Alan, does this help your understanding of this motifs meaning, function or purpose any?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Nice wedung, but it does require some TLC to make it presentable.

Yes, I believe we're looking at 19th century, maybe late 18th, all the wedungs of comparable style to this one, that I have seen, have been Surakarta.

Thank you Alan for confirming my age guess and also for correcting me about the origin. Be sure that it will receive the degree of attention it has missed for a long time.

Regards,
Detlef