Huge sword - Persia or Caucasus

mita981 · 1st January 2006, 10:23 AM

both swords are persian. the larger one is a persian heavy blade which dates back before shamshir became popular. persian swords were double edge heavy blades just like that one the only problem was that it was too difficult for persian immortals to weild them thats why shamshir took over. designed in the town of shamshir in current kermanshah of iran refering to lion's tale. the curve made it much stronger and easier on impact at the same time smaller and lighter. head on collision with a heavy blade became possible with introcution of shamshir so those blades became obselete. the carvings on the sword definitely are persian carving though they are armenian and seems like it has mix of kofi but i can't make any thing out of it. kofi is hard to read in perfect writing let alone in that condition. it seems as if someone built the sword in memory of something if it is truley a 19th century. as for the second sword is persion and the writings are more modern kofi its still missing dots so its not current arabic and its not as bad as the old kofi. there are different types of swords being built even today. shamshir isn't poplur in some regions, they still like to build the heavy double edged ones but none of them are practical. i have only seen a few double edge swords that were practical but definitely not as good as shamshir.

Rivkin · 5th June 2006, 06:21 PM

Sorry wovliex - I have shown the writing to many armenians. They can read the letters (with an exception that the ones in the middle are most likely persian), but it has no apparent meaning. Astvatsaturjan wrote about unintelligeble armenian writings, and that seems to be one of them.

Any way, very rare thing - Qajar Kama with armenian signature, congratulations.

wolviex · 5th June 2006, 06:29 PM

Thank you for your efforts. I almost forgot about that thread

This sword will be presented soon on big exhibition in Gdansk/Danzig, Poland, called "Wonders of Orient". There should be quite nice arms and armor group, while one of the authors of this exhibition is tireless prof. Zygulski.

All the best
Michal

1st January 2006, 10:23 AM	#1
mita981 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1	both swords are persian. the larger one is a persian heavy blade which dates back before shamshir became popular. persian swords were double edge heavy blades just like that one the only problem was that it was too difficult for persian immortals to weild them thats why shamshir took over. designed in the town of shamshir in current kermanshah of iran refering to lion's tale. the curve made it much stronger and easier on impact at the same time smaller and lighter. head on collision with a heavy blade became possible with introcution of shamshir so those blades became obselete. the carvings on the sword definitely are persian carving though they are armenian and seems like it has mix of kofi but i can't make any thing out of it. kofi is hard to read in perfect writing let alone in that condition. it seems as if someone built the sword in memory of something if it is truley a 19th century. as for the second sword is persion and the writings are more modern kofi its still missing dots so its not current arabic and its not as bad as the old kofi. there are different types of swords being built even today. shamshir isn't poplur in some regions, they still like to build the heavy double edged ones but none of them are practical. i have only seen a few double edge swords that were practical but definitely not as good as shamshir.

5th June 2006, 06:21 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Sorry wovliex - I have shown the writing to many armenians. They can read the letters (with an exception that the ones in the middle are most likely persian), but it has no apparent meaning. Astvatsaturjan wrote about unintelligeble armenian writings, and that seems to be one of them. Any way, very rare thing - Qajar Kama with armenian signature, congratulations.

5th June 2006, 06:29 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Thank you for your efforts. I almost forgot about that thread This sword will be presented soon on big exhibition in Gdansk/Danzig, Poland, called "Wonders of Orient". There should be quite nice arms and armor group, while one of the authors of this exhibition is tireless prof. Zygulski. All the best Michal