Keris malevolence?

David · 5th September 2015, 05:08 PM

Yeah, i've watched the Dynamo Jack sequence from the Ring of Fire series many times. My feeling is that Jack had some real talents which he augmented with a few magic trick illusions. One of the most important parts of this type of healing work is belief, as it makes the patient more receptive to the energies allegedly being transmitted. A few of the things shown here (catching the bullet, starting fires) are relatively easy and well established magic tricks. But he does seem to transmit some real chi energies as well. Of course, these videos owe there success to presenting real mysteries, so it hard to tell how skeptical their approach really was.
However, this takes us way off the track of keris. There is a brief section of the video where we see a finely balanced keris move a little bit. Honestly, this is easy enough to do with wind or magnets, but even if it was the energy of a spirit within the keris it still does not speak to the malevolence question. Again, i've never met a keris that i have felt such an energy from.
If we are to continue along this line of discussion i think i would really like to see it directly specifically at keris and not at the rather large arena of psychic/metaphysical phenomenon.

rasjid · 12th September 2015, 03:22 PM

Hi David,

Just a quick note on dynamo Jack or jack chang, nothing to do with keris at all. I have reliable source and direct student of him in Indonesia, his skill is real and called nie-kung (not chi-kung as commonly known) direct from china. Agreed its not keris discussion.
Rasjid

rasjid · 12th September 2015, 03:38 PM

Green, I'm indonesian, chinese indonesian i would say. When started collecting keris, my first priority is on the aesthetic nothing else. Thats my statement to all the sellers from there, they will note telling you other stories. But if the first questions you ask the seller if you are looking for a keris that can make you rich or good in making friends etc than you will hear all stories that you would like to hear. The stories are for you to hear and make you wanna buy it

If aesthetic you wanna see than asked about the iron, the luk, kembang kacang etc the look of the keris. Learn from this forum, read a lot, ask a lot. I think a lot of senior members here like to help out.
I'm learning too.

If you bought something., anything really and you feel not comfortable than don't keep it. Sell it back or i will keep it on your behalf...

just kidding...

Regards
Rasjid

5th September 2015, 05:08 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Yeah, i've watched the Dynamo Jack sequence from the Ring of Fire series many times. My feeling is that Jack had some real talents which he augmented with a few magic trick illusions. One of the most important parts of this type of healing work is belief, as it makes the patient more receptive to the energies allegedly being transmitted. A few of the things shown here (catching the bullet, starting fires) are relatively easy and well established magic tricks. But he does seem to transmit some real chi energies as well. Of course, these videos owe there success to presenting real mysteries, so it hard to tell how skeptical their approach really was. However, this takes us way off the track of keris. There is a brief section of the video where we see a finely balanced keris move a little bit. Honestly, this is easy enough to do with wind or magnets, but even if it was the energy of a spirit within the keris it still does not speak to the malevolence question. Again, i've never met a keris that i have felt such an energy from. If we are to continue along this line of discussion i think i would really like to see it directly specifically at keris and not at the rather large arena of psychic/metaphysical phenomenon.

12th September 2015, 03:22 PM	#2
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	Hi David, Just a quick note on dynamo Jack or jack chang, nothing to do with keris at all. I have reliable source and direct student of him in Indonesia, his skill is real and called nie-kung (not chi-kung as commonly known) direct from china. Agreed its not keris discussion. Rasjid

12th September 2015, 03:38 PM	#3
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	Green, I'm indonesian, chinese indonesian i would say. When started collecting keris, my first priority is on the aesthetic nothing else. Thats my statement to all the sellers from there, they will note telling you other stories. But if the first questions you ask the seller if you are looking for a keris that can make you rich or good in making friends etc than you will hear all stories that you would like to hear. The stories are for you to hear and make you wanna buy it If aesthetic you wanna see than asked about the iron, the luk, kembang kacang etc the look of the keris. Learn from this forum, read a lot, ask a lot. I think a lot of senior members here like to help out. I'm learning too. If you bought something., anything really and you feel not comfortable than don't keep it. Sell it back or i will keep it on your behalf... just kidding... Regards Rasjid