When is a Parang Latok not a Parang Latok?......

Dajak · 28th December 2005, 07:59 PM

In the Milano sadap a variety of latok the schoulder is octagonal in section.

This means 8 flat sides

This can be read in the Provisional classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes from R shelford.

VVV · 28th December 2005, 08:31 PM

Hi Bennie,

I have read my Shelford which is the best source, so far, for classifying the different Latok versions.
I am travelling at the moment so I don't have it with me.
But maybe you could fill in which of the Latok that belongs to which tribe?
The Melanau (modern spelling of Milano) are often Muslim and seems to
be more Malay in their customs than the Dayak tribes.

Michael

PS By the way - isn't it time for you to settle some other matters?

ariel · 28th December 2005, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

In the Milano sadap a variety of latok the schoulder is octagonal in section.

This means 8 flat sides

This can be read in the Provisional classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes from R shelford.

Where do I get this book?

kino · 28th December 2005, 10:53 PM

BTW, beautiful scabbards. Are all the blades pattern welded? Did they ever have Pamur blades?

Battara · 29th December 2005, 01:58 AM

Folks, I am quite impressed by the silver work on the hilts and on the scabbards. Now I want one too.

kai · 29th December 2005, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Where do I get this book?

Shelford, R. W. C. (1901): A provisional classification of the swords of the Sarawak tribes. Journal of the Anthropological Institute, 31: 219-228.

VVV · 29th December 2005, 12:59 PM

Kino,

I don't know if it's "true pamor" but some blades looks very much like this one in Artzi's Gallery (which I also suspect is Melanau):

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=76

Michael

Dajak · 30th December 2005, 03:01 AM

Hi there in my opinion a laminated blade does not have to be a pamor blade
Let me know how the people from the weapon forum think about this.

Another ting is; the Malay people must have come not later than the early part off the 15th century to Borneo.

Probably the malays came directly from the Malay Peninsula, but they must have mixed largely with the Kadayans, Melanaus and other costal people.

So this means before the malay people mixed with them the melanaus already exist . and means they are not pure malay people in my opinion.

(this can be read in Headhunters Alfred C. Haddon page 161 (the little book ) leaving Kuching in 1899 published in 1901 Headhunters : Black White, and Brown )

28th December 2005, 07:59 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	In the Milano sadap a variety of latok the schoulder is octagonal in section. This means 8 flat sides This can be read in the Provisional classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes from R shelford.

28th December 2005, 08:31 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Bennie, I have read my Shelford which is the best source, so far, for classifying the different Latok versions. I am travelling at the moment so I don't have it with me. But maybe you could fill in which of the Latok that belongs to which tribe? The Melanau (modern spelling of Milano) are often Muslim and seems to be more Malay in their customs than the Dayak tribes. Michael PS By the way - isn't it time for you to settle some other matters?

28th December 2005, 10:53 PM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	BTW, beautiful scabbards. Are all the blades pattern welded? Did they ever have Pamur blades?

29th December 2005, 01:58 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Folks, I am quite impressed by the silver work on the hilts and on the scabbards. Now I want one too.

29th December 2005, 12:59 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Kino, I don't know if it's "true pamor" but some blades looks very much like this one in Artzi's Gallery (which I also suspect is Melanau): http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=76 Michael

30th December 2005, 03:01 AM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi there in my opinion a laminated blade does not have to be a pamor blade Let me know how the people from the weapon forum think about this. Another ting is; the Malay people must have come not later than the early part off the 15th century to Borneo. Probably the malays came directly from the Malay Peninsula, but they must have mixed largely with the Kadayans, Melanaus and other costal people. So this means before the malay people mixed with them the melanaus already exist . and means they are not pure malay people in my opinion. (this can be read in Headhunters Alfred C. Haddon page 161 (the little book ) leaving Kuching in 1899 published in 1901 Headhunters : Black White, and Brown )