US 1902 Sword Carrier

Jim McDougall · 20th August 2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Most probably because the scope of this sub-forum is more focused on earlier items; isn't that so, Jim ?

Ideally yes Nando,
however as we know, many times various forms and weaponry in general transcend hard line limits or boundaries. Often patterns and obsolete or dated arms will become ersatz weapons in much later situations,so in a sense its like trying to geographically 'define' many ethnographic forms.
Personally I have never collected nor overly studied many American swords and my resources are limited, so I welcome 'stretching ' the parameters a bit in cases like this.......I learn a lot from these guys!

kronckew · 14th September 2015, 08:46 AM

1902 is now firmly in the 'over 100 yrs. old' antique class. as are many early and pre ww1 stuff. today's junk is tomorrow's antiques. 'ersatz'? ersatz is a state of mind. just because it's obsolete does not mean it's not effective. a well known ww2 brit (scots) officer went into battle, landing on the beach with his claymore and with bagpipes playing, later captured 42 germans, one after the other with only his sword, and also has the honour of the last confirmed battle kill with an english longbow, skewering a german sgt. during a battle. he was,of course, a tad eccentric. but effective.

sadly, the m1902 army sabre IS an ersatz sword, not having been designed for combat, but just for parades, it is a poor substitute for the real thing. luckily not all swords used in ww1 (or ww2 - remember the milsco version dutchy klewang issued to US marines) were ersatz.

anyways, to complete the set, i just stumbled across and purchased the earlier 2 sling leather version with the belt slide. it can also be used on the ww1 era issued canvas cartridge belt as shown below.

Hotspur · 6th October 2015, 03:47 PM

I just wanted to add this thread link at USM that regards a number of hangers for the US m1902 swords.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...elts-hangers/?

Cheers

GC

14th September 2015, 08:46 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	1902 is now firmly in the 'over 100 yrs. old' antique class. as are many early and pre ww1 stuff. today's junk is tomorrow's antiques. 'ersatz'? ersatz is a state of mind. just because it's obsolete does not mean it's not effective. a well known ww2 brit (scots) officer went into battle, landing on the beach with his claymore and with bagpipes playing, later captured 42 germans, one after the other with only his sword, and also has the honour of the last confirmed battle kill with an english longbow, skewering a german sgt. during a battle. he was,of course, a tad eccentric. but effective. sadly, the m1902 army sabre IS an ersatz sword, not having been designed for combat, but just for parades, it is a poor substitute for the real thing. luckily not all swords used in ww1 (or ww2 - remember the milsco version dutchy klewang issued to US marines) were ersatz. anyways, to complete the set, i just stumbled across and purchased the earlier 2 sling leather version with the belt slide. it can also be used on the ww1 era issued canvas cartridge belt as shown below. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 14th September 2015 at 09:07 AM.

6th October 2015, 03:47 PM	#3
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 511	I just wanted to add this thread link at USM that regards a number of hangers for the US m1902 swords. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...elts-hangers/? Cheers GC