When is a Parang Latok not a Parang Latok?......

Battara · 28th December 2005, 04:34 AM

Chuckmeister, you have a good piece there. I love the chiseling.

Henk · 28th December 2005, 08:49 AM

Woooow, both pieces are just magnificent. Congrats on such pieces. Not a parang latok, but still.......

VVV · 28th December 2005, 02:08 PM

Hi all,

Except for the octagonal elbow, as Charles pointed out, usually the sadap has more flowery carvings at the hilt than the Latok.
The reason is that the sadap is Melanau (Malay Muslims) and the Latok is Land Dayak so they belong to different tribes.
My Sadap is also almost 1,5 times bigger overall than my Latoks.
The Latoks also differ between Dayak tribes from more simple wooden hilts to the carved antler horn hilt (enclosed Latok hilt examples below).

Michael

CharlesS · 28th December 2005, 04:50 PM

Gorgeous example Michael, and my guess is that one is certainly for someone of status as it is magnificently mounted.

The Malay distinction is interesting; I am surprised Zonneveld did not mention it except in one discreet notation, but afterall, his book is not about Malay weapons!

Dajak · 28th December 2005, 04:58 PM

Tha Latok sadap is not a malay weapon

Dajak · 28th December 2005, 05:01 PM

Tha Latok sadap is not a malay weapon

Is is one off the swords off the Sarawak tribes By the time it was not in malay hands

Dajak · 28th December 2005, 05:13 PM

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Dajak · 28th December 2005, 07:59 PM

In the Milano sadap a variety of latok the schoulder is octagonal in section.

This means 8 flat sides

This can be read in the Provisional classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes from R shelford.

28th December 2005, 02:08 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi all, Except for the octagonal elbow, as Charles pointed out, usually the sadap has more flowery carvings at the hilt than the Latok. The reason is that the sadap is Melanau (Malay Muslims) and the Latok is Land Dayak so they belong to different tribes. My Sadap is also almost 1,5 times bigger overall than my Latoks. The Latoks also differ between Dayak tribes from more simple wooden hilts to the carved antler horn hilt (enclosed Latok hilt examples below). Michael Attached Images

28th December 2005, 05:13 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/newattachment.php Attached Images

28th December 2005, 04:34 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Chuckmeister, you have a good piece there. I love the chiseling.

28th December 2005, 08:49 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Woooow, both pieces are just magnificent. Congrats on such pieces. Not a parang latok, but still.......

28th December 2005, 04:50 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Gorgeous example Michael, and my guess is that one is certainly for someone of status as it is magnificently mounted. The Malay distinction is interesting; I am surprised Zonneveld did not mention it except in one discreet notation, but afterall, his book is not about Malay weapons!

28th December 2005, 04:58 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Tha Latok sadap is not a malay weapon

28th December 2005, 05:01 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Tha Latok sadap is not a malay weapon Is is one off the swords off the Sarawak tribes By the time it was not in malay hands

28th December 2005, 07:59 PM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	In the Milano sadap a variety of latok the schoulder is octagonal in section. This means 8 flat sides This can be read in the Provisional classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes from R shelford.