"Ancient" Ottoman (?) Ramrod : Age ?

stelio · 15th August 2015, 12:55 PM

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

Pukka Bundook · 15th August 2015, 01:55 PM

It still appears something like a ball/bullet extractor to me, but I'm no expert!
It looks like the bit in the centre could be reversed and screwed into the handle part.
If the 'tweezers' are spring-loaded, (made of spring steel) they will expand as the centre tube is slid upwards towards the threaded part, and as the tube is slid back down to-wards the tweezer tips, the spring pressure is increased and they will grip an object securely.

Best,
Richard.

Ian · 15th August 2015, 02:43 PM

An Ottoman suma.

See also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...15&postcount=9

Ian

rickystl · 15th August 2015, 05:40 PM

Hello all.
Looks like it is in some what excavated condition. I don't think this was a Suma rod. Does not seem to be a provision at the rear for a neck throng. But there is a hole for a throng (or something) down the lower portion. Which would likely preclude this being used for loading a pistol. It looks like there is a piece missing from the lower section that may have threaded in the middle ?? But other than the tongs, I really can't figure this one out.

But it's sure an interesting item.

Stelio: Thanks for the pic!! Never seen that one before. I'll add that to my library.

Rick.

Kubur · 15th August 2015, 06:14 PM

Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick.
It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma
And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

rickystl · 16th August 2015, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick.
It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma
And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

Hi Kubur!
I stand corrected. Thanks for the Link to that photo. You're right. It was originally a Suma Rod, that looks to be in excavated condition. That loop on the side of the shaft tells me it was to assist in un-screwing the lower portion with the thumb. My error. Good catch. I agree.
Actually, when I think about it, I don't know what else it could be, LOL

Rick.

Kubur · 15th August 2015, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

I have nothing more to add, it's crystal clear.

Best wishes,
Kubur

kahnjar1 · 15th August 2015, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

NOW I understand. Thank you
Stu

stelio · 16th August 2015, 01:45 AM

Rick see the ramrod of Kubur and certainly will see similarities with the photograph at the beginning of our conversation .
Stu on balkan area in 19th century none of the objects do not throw in the garbage if something seems tool could be done even if spoil . Rick and Kubur If you want there are more photos go to facebook. The name of page in facebook is fustanella painting.

Stelios

15th August 2015, 02:43 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,453	An Ottoman suma. See also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...15&postcount=9 Ian Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 15th August 2015 at 02:53 PM.

15th August 2015, 12:55 PM	#1
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful . Stelios

15th August 2015, 01:55 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	It still appears something like a ball/bullet extractor to me, but I'm no expert! It looks like the bit in the centre could be reversed and screwed into the handle part. If the 'tweezers' are spring-loaded, (made of spring steel) they will expand as the centre tube is slid upwards towards the threaded part, and as the tube is slid back down to-wards the tweezer tips, the spring pressure is increased and they will grip an object securely. Best, Richard.

15th August 2015, 05:40 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hello all. Looks like it is in some what excavated condition. I don't think this was a Suma rod. Does not seem to be a provision at the rear for a neck throng. But there is a hole for a throng (or something) down the lower portion. Which would likely preclude this being used for loading a pistol. It looks like there is a piece missing from the lower section that may have threaded in the middle ?? But other than the tongs, I really can't figure this one out. But it's sure an interesting item. Stelio: Thanks for the pic!! Never seen that one before. I'll add that to my library. Rick.

15th August 2015, 06:14 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick. It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

16th August 2015, 01:45 AM	#9
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Rick see the ramrod of Kubur and certainly will see similarities with the photograph at the beginning of our conversation . Stu on balkan area in 19th century none of the objects do not throw in the garbage if something seems tool could be done even if spoil . Rick and Kubur If you want there are more photos go to facebook. The name of page in facebook is fustanella painting. Stelios