OTTOMAN TUFUK SMOOTHBORE

TVV · 10th August 2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stelio

I can say that the ugly duck made it a nice swan . A very nice sisana rifle from ottoman empire. Congrats Rick

Stelios

Nice gun, I agree, but while the dimensions fit a shishane, the term was used to describe guns with rifled barrels, and this one is obviously smooth, even before the liner was installed. So I am not sure what I would call it.

Teodor

stelio · 11th August 2015, 09:37 PM

You're right Theodor when dealing with the barrel and it is good to call things by their name. In the Balkans after 200 years that the weapons were combatants have been several mutations in arms .
Stelios

Kubur · 12th August 2015, 05:06 AM

As usual,
beautiful rifle and amazing restoration work.
I guess the barrel is Italian.
So nice
Best,
Kubur

rickystl · 17th August 2015, 12:11 PM

Thank you all for the kind comments. This gun DID take a lot of work to refurbish. It was a real mess when I received it.

I use the term Tufuk as to loosly describe an Ottoman style shoulder gun done in the Turkish manner. My general understanding of the Tufuk vs Shishane terms is used to describe a rifled versus smoothbore barrel. But, according to my reference material the terms can also be used to describe the differences in stock design. There also seems to be other names/spellings/pronounceations for the same guns depending on which area of the Ottoman Empire you happen to be standing in at the moment. LOL

Which make it all the more confusing when studying/researching these guns.
Rick.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th August 2015, 12:17 PM

An interesting document is worth seeing at http://www.theottomanfiles.com/Blog/...g-the-Ottomans which I commend to Forum Library.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

rickystl · 22nd August 2015, 05:17 PM

Hi Ibrahiim.
Thanks so much for the Link - and the photo !! Never seen this one before. I will save it in my library. Just another reminder to myself of the advantage of belonging to this Forum.

Rick.

11th August 2015, 09:37 PM	#2
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	You're right Theodor when dealing with the barrel and it is good to call things by their name. In the Balkans after 200 years that the weapons were combatants have been several mutations in arms . Stelios

12th August 2015, 05:06 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	As usual, beautiful rifle and amazing restoration work. I guess the barrel is Italian. So nice Best, Kubur

17th August 2015, 12:11 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Thank you all for the kind comments. This gun DID take a lot of work to refurbish. It was a real mess when I received it. I use the term Tufuk as to loosly describe an Ottoman style shoulder gun done in the Turkish manner. My general understanding of the Tufuk vs Shishane terms is used to describe a rifled versus smoothbore barrel. But, according to my reference material the terms can also be used to describe the differences in stock design. There also seems to be other names/spellings/pronounceations for the same guns depending on which area of the Ottoman Empire you happen to be standing in at the moment. LOL Which make it all the more confusing when studying/researching these guns. Rick.

17th August 2015, 12:17 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	An interesting document is worth seeing at http://www.theottomanfiles.com/Blog/...g-the-Ottomans which I commend to Forum Library. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

22nd August 2015, 05:17 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Ibrahiim. Thanks so much for the Link - and the photo !! Never seen this one before. I will save it in my library. Just another reminder to myself of the advantage of belonging to this Forum. Rick.