Battle damage

Ian · 15th July 2015, 09:48 PM

Gents:

There is some very "testy" language emerging in this thread that is not in the spirit that this Forum seeks to maintain. Perhaps there are some residual feelings from the recently closed thread concerning kukri marks. Whatever the reason may be, this thread is also at risk of being shut down and individual suspensions handed out. If you want to argue in this manner, please take it to PM or email. In all exchanges, please refrain from any personal attacks on other members.

Ian.

Battara · 16th July 2015, 01:25 AM

I agree with Ian. This is no place folks for person heat, hostility, or snipes. You have our blessings to exit this thread if you need to.

VANDOO · 16th July 2015, 03:18 AM

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT DAMMAGE FOUND TO WEAPONS NOT MANS INHUMANITY TO MAN OR TO DREGE UP OLD HATREDS OR ARGUMENTS. THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD SO LETS TRY TO LEARN AND HAVE FUN HERE THIS IS NOT FIGHT CLUB

drac2k · 16th July 2015, 03:22 AM

Actually the most skilled samurai would test a new sword on the body of a condemned criminal; I believe this practice was called Tameshigiri .

Timo Nieminen · 16th July 2015, 05:05 AM

"Tameshigiri", literally "test-cutting" iirc. Usually performed by professional sword-testers, "shitoka". Perhaps not the most skilled samurai even in the field of swordsmanship, but expert in their particular art.

On the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameshigiri there is the account of the "condemned criminal who, after being told he was to be executed by a sword tester using a Kesa-giri cut, calmly joked that if he had known that was going to happen, he would have swallowed large stones to damage the blade." (Described as apocryphal; iirc this is found in The Sword Book in Honcho Gunkiko, one of the two books published together in English translation in "Sword and Same".)

http://www.japaneseswordsmanship.com...shigiri_h.html

sirupate · 16th July 2015, 08:30 AM

Here is an excellent article by S. Alexander Takeuchi, Ph.D. on Tameshi-giri and Suemono-giri
tameshi-giri and suemono-giri

15th July 2015, 09:48 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Warning! Gents: There is some very "testy" language emerging in this thread that is not in the spirit that this Forum seeks to maintain. Perhaps there are some residual feelings from the recently closed thread concerning kukri marks. Whatever the reason may be, this thread is also at risk of being shut down and individual suspensions handed out. If you want to argue in this manner, please take it to PM or email. In all exchanges, please refrain from any personal attacks on other members. Ian.

16th July 2015, 01:25 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I agree with Ian. This is no place folks for person heat, hostility, or snipes. You have our blessings to exit this thread if you need to.

16th July 2015, 03:18 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS THREAD IS ABOUT DAMMAGE FOUND TO WEAPONS NOT MANS INHUMANITY TO MAN OR TO DREGE UP OLD HATREDS OR ARGUMENTS. THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD SO LETS TRY TO LEARN AND HAVE FUN HERE THIS IS NOT FIGHT CLUB

16th July 2015, 03:22 AM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Actually the most skilled samurai would test a new sword on the body of a condemned criminal; I believe this practice was called Tameshigiri .

16th July 2015, 05:05 AM	#5
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	"Tameshigiri", literally "test-cutting" iirc. Usually performed by professional sword-testers, "shitoka". Perhaps not the most skilled samurai even in the field of swordsmanship, but expert in their particular art. On the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameshigiri there is the account of the "condemned criminal who, after being told he was to be executed by a sword tester using a Kesa-giri cut, calmly joked that if he had known that was going to happen, he would have swallowed large stones to damage the blade." (Described as apocryphal; iirc this is found in The Sword Book in Honcho Gunkiko, one of the two books published together in English translation in "Sword and Same".) http://www.japaneseswordsmanship.com...shigiri_h.html

16th July 2015, 08:30 AM	#6
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Here is an excellent article by S. Alexander Takeuchi, Ph.D. on Tameshi-giri and Suemono-giri tameshi-giri and suemono-giri