Another strange, non-textbook, parang

zelbone · 19th December 2005, 03:12 PM

I still think that both Michael's and RobT's swords are utak janaps which are Moro tools/weapons. A bangkung would have a straighter spine much like a lumad kampilan or a binangon. The janap has also a more squared off tip. Basically, it's more of a utilitarian bolo, but as seen with other bolos across the Philippines they can be used as weapons. The two examples posted here are fancier than more typical janaps meaning these were intended to be used as weapons. The scabbards look like mid 20th C. sulu design and the hilts also have the hybrid kakatua/horsehoof or nay kuray pommel (I believe that's the term...my reference book on this is being borrowed by the guy that won the ivory pommel barung the other day.) If I had to take a guess, I suspect these are from Sulu or Basilan. Hope this helps

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kai · 19th December 2005, 07:39 PM

Thanks, Zel!

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Originally Posted by zelbone

I still think that both Michael's and RobT's swords are utak janaps which are Moro tools/weapons.

Do you have any pics of this pommel type and the tool version of an utak janap?

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the hilts also have the hybrid kakatua/horsehoof or nay kuray pommel (I believe that's the term...my reference book on this is being borrowed

What's the citation for this book?

Regards,
Kai

zelbone · 20th December 2005, 06:49 AM

Guys,
The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies. In one chapter they do describe the utak janap and it's intended use and there might be an illustration. The copy I have is relatively recent and should be available....and it's in English. Sorry I don't have the ISBN number which would make locating a copy easier. You might want to search on the old forum because I believe I actually wrote about that book and gave all the pertinent information of finding it. Actually, there's some very valuable information in that book that any collector of Sulu weapons would find very useful. Like I said, I don't have the book right now, otherwise I'd have the information for all of you. As for a tool version of an utak janap, I saw one last year at Cecil Quirino's house when a few of us collectors here paid him a visit. It was pretty plain, but had a similar hilt. I should have bought it!

Regards,

Zel

Tim Simmons · 20th December 2005, 07:27 AM

What!!!!! You lend your books

zamboanga · 29th December 2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zelbone

Guys,
The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies...

Regards,

Zel

zel,

Are you talking about the book or books by former priest Gerard Rixzon? I don't think it has an ISBN number. In fact most books printed locally that deal with Jolo culture and history (Rasul, Bruno, etc.) don't have ISBN numbers.

Also, the janap is also mentioned in this link as a "primitive trowel": http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac....ticle_341.html

carlo

19th December 2005, 03:12 PM	#1
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	I still think that both Michael's and RobT's swords are utak janaps which are Moro tools/weapons. A bangkung would have a straighter spine much like a lumad kampilan or a binangon. The janap has also a more squared off tip. Basically, it's more of a utilitarian bolo, but as seen with other bolos across the Philippines they can be used as weapons. The two examples posted here are fancier than more typical janaps meaning these were intended to be used as weapons. The scabbards look like mid 20th C. sulu design and the hilts also have the hybrid kakatua/horsehoof or nay kuray pommel (I believe that's the term...my reference book on this is being borrowed by the guy that won the ivory pommel barung the other day.) If I had to take a guess, I suspect these are from Sulu or Basilan. Hope this helps .

20th December 2005, 06:49 AM	#3
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Guys, The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies. In one chapter they do describe the utak janap and it's intended use and there might be an illustration. The copy I have is relatively recent and should be available....and it's in English. Sorry I don't have the ISBN number which would make locating a copy easier. You might want to search on the old forum because I believe I actually wrote about that book and gave all the pertinent information of finding it. Actually, there's some very valuable information in that book that any collector of Sulu weapons would find very useful. Like I said, I don't have the book right now, otherwise I'd have the information for all of you. As for a tool version of an utak janap, I saw one last year at Cecil Quirino's house when a few of us collectors here paid him a visit. It was pretty plain, but had a similar hilt. I should have bought it! Regards, Zel

20th December 2005, 07:27 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	What!!!!! You lend your books