Highly unusual "Moro" kris/keris

Roland_M · 15th June 2015, 08:50 AM

""Raseneisenerzklinge" is an idiosyncratic term of HH's "expert" which doesn't seem to imply more than local production, i. e. forging with visible layers of iron, i. e. pamor."

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Raseneisenerz is bog iron / Limonite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_iron) or in german (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raseneisenstein).

Regards, Roland

kai · 16th June 2015, 01:40 AM

Hello Roland,

Quote:

Raseneisenerz is bog iron / Limonite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_iron) or in german (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raseneisenstein).

Thanks for adding these info!

There is no doubt that bog iron deposits were utilised, too. However, after the necessary "washing" of the iron during preparations for forging, it would become very tough to differentiate the actual origin of the iron, especially for quality blades with extensively washed iron.

Considering the indiscriminate use of the term by HH (including Karmadikan pieces - cp. the catalogs), I highly doubt that there's any special expertise on iron ore origin at work...

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 16th June 2015, 01:56 AM

My 2 cents; the blade strikes me on sight as Indonesian in origin; kind of in the style of early east Java but not very old .
I could see possibly a Moro attempt, except the pamor construction and control is too Java-Madura in style IMO to be Moro .

Maybe a marriage of new and old(er) .

Battara · 18th June 2015, 01:42 AM

Rick that is what I am thinking - a marriage. I will say Kai, that in general I would agree with you, however, for a wealthy datu, he would probably be able to afford a better Indonesian (East Javan?) blade.

15th June 2015, 08:50 AM	#1
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	""Raseneisenerzklinge" is an idiosyncratic term of HH's "expert" which doesn't seem to imply more than local production, i. e. forging with visible layers of iron, i. e. pamor." --- Raseneisenerz is bog iron / Limonite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_iron) or in german (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raseneisenstein). Regards, Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 15th June 2015 at 11:39 AM.

16th June 2015, 01:56 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	My 2 cents; the blade strikes me on sight as Indonesian in origin; kind of in the style of early east Java but not very old . I could see possibly a Moro attempt, except the pamor construction and control is too Java-Madura in style IMO to be Moro . Maybe a marriage of new and old(er) . Last edited by Rick; 16th June 2015 at 02:10 AM.

18th June 2015, 01:42 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Rick that is what I am thinking - a marriage. I will say Kai, that in general I would agree with you, however, for a wealthy datu, he would probably be able to afford a better Indonesian (East Javan?) blade.