Kubur Questions

Kubur · 9th June 2015, 07:48 PM

Hi!
I guess that I'm amongst the new friends.
I saw your previous post.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...figures+barrel
Ok I will tell you all what I know about this kind of gun.
I missed few years ago a pair of full brass kubur, with the barrels and the locks completly decorated like yours.
They were so strange that i didn't buy them...what a mistake!
I have seen this kind of pistols only in the Balkans, but It's impossible for me to tell you if they were Greeks, Bosnians or Albanians. If you observe the frizzen, the long vertical groves are caracteristic from the "Muslim" pistols from the Balkans, the (Christian-orthodox) Greeks prefered the plain frizzen without groves. Some of these pistols reappeared in North Africa, like the pair that I told you, brought from Algeria. As you see, I don't have any answer but some tracks...
Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 9th June 2015, 07:53 PM

Happy you
In my archives, I have on similar to those that I described.

Rick · 9th June 2015, 09:02 PM

Happy me indeed !

I'm very glad at least one other person here has seen such a barrel .
Thank you very much Kubur !

I was hoping to gather a little more information since we have many more antique firearms enthusiasts than when I first posted this pistol .

Does anyone recognize the stamp under the barrel ?
And this barrel having no band/s would have been seated in the stock with some sort of resin/tar ?

Norman McCormick · 9th June 2015, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Does anyone recognize the stamp under the barrel ?

Hi,
One of the marks looks suspiciously like the British Govt. broad arrow acceptance stamp though how this could be as surely the decor must have been cast at the time of manufacture. Perhaps a better image of that mark may be a help. On the other hand I have a Greek kariofili rifle whose barrel has markings for the Mutzig castle armoury in Alsace that I'm pretty sure didn't leave the factory with the incised decoration on the top. I'm of the opinion that the barrel was captured/looted/reused and decorated thus as an 'aftermarket custom job'.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 9th June 2015, 09:22 PM

Hi,
This is a section of one of the guns Kubur posted, it does look like stock removal has been used to create the decoration.
Regards,
Norman.

Rick · 9th June 2015, 10:27 PM

Thank you Norman .
I think you're right when you figure that barrel was done after-the-fact; this one looks the same under the rust; it took a lot of work; I wonder when and where .
Here are some better pictures of the mark struck in the barrel .

9th June 2015, 07:53 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Happy you In my archives, I have on similar to those that I described. Attached Images

9th June 2015, 09:22 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	Hi, This is a section of one of the guns Kubur posted, it does look like stock removal has been used to create the decoration. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

9th June 2015, 10:27 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Marks Thank you Norman . I think you're right when you figure that barrel was done after-the-fact; this one looks the same under the rust; it took a lot of work; I wonder when and where . Here are some better pictures of the mark struck in the barrel . Attached Images

9th June 2015, 07:48 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi! I guess that I'm amongst the new friends. I saw your previous post. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...figures+barrel Ok I will tell you all what I know about this kind of gun. I missed few years ago a pair of full brass kubur, with the barrels and the locks completly decorated like yours. They were so strange that i didn't buy them...what a mistake! I have seen this kind of pistols only in the Balkans, but It's impossible for me to tell you if they were Greeks, Bosnians or Albanians. If you observe the frizzen, the long vertical groves are caracteristic from the "Muslim" pistols from the Balkans, the (Christian-orthodox) Greeks prefered the plain frizzen without groves. Some of these pistols reappeared in North Africa, like the pair that I told you, brought from Algeria. As you see, I don't have any answer but some tracks... Best, Kubur

9th June 2015, 09:02 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Happy me indeed ! I'm very glad at least one other person here has seen such a barrel . Thank you very much Kubur ! I was hoping to gather a little more information since we have many more antique firearms enthusiasts than when I first posted this pistol . Does anyone recognize the stamp under the barrel ? And this barrel having no band/s would have been seated in the stock with some sort of resin/tar ?