Pandai Saras Luk 9

A. G. Maisey · 13th May 2015, 11:28 PM

Rasdan, I cannot see anything in this keris from Mr. Jensen's publication that I would identify as qualifying it for a Majapahit classification.

I'm not going to list and discuss every feature, but Mojo keris should be light, this keris is heavy, Mojo keris should have boto adeg blumbangan, this keris appears to have a square blumbangan, Mojo keris have more taper to the point, Mojo keris should have a shortish gonjo.

This keris does look like north coast, but more to the west, based on what I believe I can see in the picture, I'd be inclined to give this keris as more or less Banten.

However, we are getting into a tangguh discussion here, and that is really not a good idea when we are using pictures to base opinions on. In any case, there is one thing above all else that must be remembered about the tangguh system:- it is a system of classification in which some of the classifications share their names with historic eras, but that does not mean that the keris concerned originates from that era.

In Jawa we have a saying:-

tangguh ngak sungguh = tangguh is not real

if we care to believe that a keris of say, Kahuripan origin actually originated in the Kingdom of Kahuripan, well, that's fine --- provided we accept that this can only ever be a belief, as is virtually all keris "knowledge".

Keris knowledge is not knowledge as the concept of knowledge is understood in the modern world. Keris knowledge is a mixture of myth, legend, and popular belief.

Keris knowledge depends upon having an understanding of these myths, legends and beliefs that is more or less in agreement with the majority of people with whom one discusses keris.

13th May 2015, 11:28 PM	#34
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Rasdan, I cannot see anything in this keris from Mr. Jensen's publication that I would identify as qualifying it for a Majapahit classification. I'm not going to list and discuss every feature, but Mojo keris should be light, this keris is heavy, Mojo keris should have boto adeg blumbangan, this keris appears to have a square blumbangan, Mojo keris have more taper to the point, Mojo keris should have a shortish gonjo. This keris does look like north coast, but more to the west, based on what I believe I can see in the picture, I'd be inclined to give this keris as more or less Banten. However, we are getting into a tangguh discussion here, and that is really not a good idea when we are using pictures to base opinions on. In any case, there is one thing above all else that must be remembered about the tangguh system:- it is a system of classification in which some of the classifications share their names with historic eras, but that does not mean that the keris concerned originates from that era. In Jawa we have a saying:- tangguh ngak sungguh = tangguh is not real if we care to believe that a keris of say, Kahuripan origin actually originated in the Kingdom of Kahuripan, well, that's fine --- provided we accept that this can only ever be a belief, as is virtually all keris "knowledge". Keris knowledge is not knowledge as the concept of knowledge is understood in the modern world. Keris knowledge is a mixture of myth, legend, and popular belief. Keris knowledge depends upon having an understanding of these myths, legends and beliefs that is more or less in agreement with the majority of people with whom one discusses keris.