Bugis Keris?

Sajen · 3rd May 2015, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuuzan

The hilt to me looks like a very abstract and stylized representation of a hilt form that is often attributed to the Lampung area of Sumatra.

As for Bugis influences, I can't see any of those in any part of this keris. The dress, as far as I know, could be from the Lampung area as well as Palembang.

I agree with you by the first statement. The pendokok is Bugis. The scabbard is like you said correct for both areas.
I've seen this keris by ebay but the strange hilt and the obviously painted scabbard and hilt let me stay away from this keris.

Regards,
Detlef

Bjorn · 3rd May 2015, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I agree with you by the first statement. The pendokok is Bugis. The scabbard is like you said correct for both areas.
I've seen this keris by ebay but the strange hilt and the obviously painted scabbard and hilt let me stay away from this keris.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you for the addition, Detlef. I wrote in haste and am not very familiar with the different styles of pendokok.

blue lander · 3rd May 2015, 11:55 PM

I wonder why they painted/lacquered it...

Does the blade itself look okay?

Rick · 4th May 2015, 12:24 AM

There is an old saying among Housepainters: putty and paint make it is what it ain't .

Then again, there could be nice wood underneath all that; maybe strong light will tell you when you receive it .

I wonder about the meaning (or not) of the two dimples that were put in the sorsoran .

I think the blade is genuinely old .

A. G. Maisey · 4th May 2015, 12:54 AM

Blade tip form is legitimate Javanese:- ngahbah kopong --- "empty rice field".

Blade itself could well be North Coast Jawa

blue lander · 4th May 2015, 01:58 AM

Interesting! The shape of the tip does look rather deliberate rather than just a snapped off point.

Is it likely the blade has any pamor? I I've read the guides about soaking it in coconut water and whatnot, but I have a feeling this would need a complete restaining...

A. G. Maisey · 4th May 2015, 02:38 AM

We can probably say that this keris has pamor sanak, that is, very low contrast or no contrast pamor of iron only. I doubt that a clean and restain would be of much benefit.

3rd May 2015, 11:55 PM	#3
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	I wonder why they painted/lacquered it... Does the blade itself look okay?

4th May 2015, 12:24 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	There is an old saying among Housepainters: putty and paint make it is what it ain't . Then again, there could be nice wood underneath all that; maybe strong light will tell you when you receive it . I wonder about the meaning (or not) of the two dimples that were put in the sorsoran . I think the blade is genuinely old .

4th May 2015, 12:54 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Blade tip form is legitimate Javanese:- ngahbah kopong --- "empty rice field". Blade itself could well be North Coast Jawa

4th May 2015, 01:58 AM	#6
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	Interesting! The shape of the tip does look rather deliberate rather than just a snapped off point. Is it likely the blade has any pamor? I I've read the guides about soaking it in coconut water and whatnot, but I have a feeling this would need a complete restaining...

4th May 2015, 02:38 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	We can probably say that this keris has pamor sanak, that is, very low contrast or no contrast pamor of iron only. I doubt that a clean and restain would be of much benefit.