Interesting European Influenced Parang

Sajen · 29th April 2015, 09:30 PM

Hello Charles,

I think that this beauty is valuable!

I also think that it is from Java, maybe North coast, Cirebon. Don't think that it is from Sumatra.

Regards,
Detlef

RSWORD · 30th April 2015, 05:07 AM

Charles asked me to share an example from my collection. You can see some similarities and some differences. My example has 3 silver hallmarks on the hand guard which look quite European to me. Second, the blade on my example is most probably European with curious markings. Charles has a blade on I believe an Indian sword with very similar markings. I think these things are pretty cool but like Charles wonder what they were used for.

RSWORD · 30th April 2015, 05:08 AM

Oh yeah! Forgot to mention mine has an Arabic inscription on the scabbard. Can anyone translate?

ashoka · 30th April 2015, 01:42 PM

This looks to me like a shortened Hungarian blade. I have found them in all manner of weapons, Nimchas, shamshirs in particular from Syria, Indonesia esp. Sumatra. How they got to all these places god only knows.

CharlesS · 30th April 2015, 05:29 PM

It's hard to tell from the pics, but Rick's example is much larger and heavier than mine. When we first looked at that one together I thought it showed more of a Malay influence. The floral motifs are different as is the pommel(more lion-like), not to mention the inscription.

Does anyone perhaps see more Malay influence in Rick's example?

VANDOO · 30th April 2015, 07:08 PM

ORIENTAL ARMS HAD SOME VERY NICE ONES, SIMILAR TO CHARLES EXAMPLE ON HIS TABLE AT THE FIRST FORUM GATHERING AT TIMONIUM. PERHAPS ARTZI MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THEM OR MAYBE EVEN A OLD PICTURE OR TWO.
VERY NICE ONES YOU HAVE GUYS.

30th April 2015, 05:07 AM	#2
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,093	Charles asked me to share an example from my collection. You can see some similarities and some differences. My example has 3 silver hallmarks on the hand guard which look quite European to me. Second, the blade on my example is most probably European with curious markings. Charles has a blade on I believe an Indian sword with very similar markings. I think these things are pretty cool but like Charles wonder what they were used for. Attached Images

30th April 2015, 05:08 AM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,093	Oh yeah! Forgot to mention mine has an Arabic inscription on the scabbard. Can anyone translate? Attached Images

29th April 2015, 09:30 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Hello Charles, I think that this beauty is valuable! I also think that it is from Java, maybe North coast, Cirebon. Don't think that it is from Sumatra. Regards, Detlef

30th April 2015, 01:42 PM	#4
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	This looks to me like a shortened Hungarian blade. I have found them in all manner of weapons, Nimchas, shamshirs in particular from Syria, Indonesia esp. Sumatra. How they got to all these places god only knows.

30th April 2015, 05:29 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	It's hard to tell from the pics, but Rick's example is much larger and heavier than mine. When we first looked at that one together I thought it showed more of a Malay influence. The floral motifs are different as is the pommel(more lion-like), not to mention the inscription. Does anyone perhaps see more Malay influence in Rick's example?

30th April 2015, 07:08 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ORIENTAL ARMS HAD SOME VERY NICE ONES, SIMILAR TO CHARLES EXAMPLE ON HIS TABLE AT THE FIRST FORUM GATHERING AT TIMONIUM. PERHAPS ARTZI MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THEM OR MAYBE EVEN A OLD PICTURE OR TWO. VERY NICE ONES YOU HAVE GUYS.