TWO MATCHLOCK MUSKETS for ID and COMMENT

Albert · 21st April 2015, 09:14 AM

For the forumites who don't have the Egerton book.

kahnjar1 · 21st April 2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert

For the forumites who don't have the Egerton book.

Thanks Albert for posting this. Interesting that the stock shape of my #1 does not appear here.
Stu

rickystl · 27th April 2015, 07:15 PM

Thanks for posting this. I'll have to get this book. And a couple others I still don't have. Rick.

Springfield03 · 4th May 2015, 09:52 PM

Very neat matchlock muskets you have there.

Albert, which particular book are those pages taken from? I'll have to pick it up.

kahnjar1 · 5th May 2015, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Springfield03

Very neat matchlock muskets you have there.

Albert, which particular book are those pages taken from? I'll have to pick it up.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Book...26an%3Degerton
Here you go....

David R · 2nd August 2015, 10:37 PM

Re. breech plugs in toradors, this subject has come up a couple of times at meetings of the Royal Armouries Association. According to one of the curators a slightly oversized plug is made, the breech area heated to red, and the plug hammered in. It seems a bit unsafe to us, but the design lasted so must function well enough.

rickystl · 3rd August 2015, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by David R

Re. breech plugs in toradors, this subject has come up a couple of times at meetings of the Royal Armouries Association. According to one of the curators a slightly oversized plug is made, the breech area heated to red, and the plug hammered in. It seems a bit unsafe to us, but the design lasted so must function well enough.

Hi David.
I believe that method of sealing the breech is correct. And it appears so when you look at the end of the breech. In effect, welding it closed.
If you Google "mughal musket" there is a neat You Tube vidio about these barrels where they actually cut the breech section. But there is a big question they do not explain: There is a school of thought that the breech section of these barrels have a slightly larger "powder chamber" at the breech end, similar to a European hand gonne. While others believe the bore is the same size for the full length with just a heavier breech area on the outside to accomodate heavier loads. Honestly, I don't know.
By coincidence, I have a Torador I plan on making into a shooter. The barrel is in good condition, but something is lodged in the bore near the breech end - but it is NOT loaded. So I plan on having the plug drilled out and a new threaded breech plug made while having the bore burnished smooth. I'll take good photos along the way and will be able to study the open breech area and take measurements and will finally be able to answer the question.
For some reason this question of the breech area of these Torador barrels has bugged me for years. It's on my near term "to do" projects list. LOL I'll eventually report back with my progress.
Rick.

Pukka Bundook · 8th August 2015, 05:54 AM

Rick,

What you feel at the breech is very likely the powder chamber.
In these muskets the chamber is Smaller bore than the barrel, so what appears an obstruction, is just this narrower piece.

The old Hand Gonnes were the same, with a narrower bored breech, initially made that way so the serpentine powder didn't get too compressed, as if it Was compressed it wouldn't ignite.

Question for you if I may;
does the stock fit under the arm when aiming?
I have never had hold of a torador, so am in the dark!

I recently purchased a couple of barrels and a torador needing parts, but they are still in the UK at present.

Thanks for your time Rick,

Best wishes Richard.

21st April 2015, 09:14 AM	#1
Albert Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 202	Egerton For the forumites who don't have the Egerton book. Attached Images

27th April 2015, 07:15 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Thanks for posting this. I'll have to get this book. And a couple others I still don't have. Rick.

4th May 2015, 09:52 PM	#4
Springfield03 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 3	Very neat matchlock muskets you have there. Albert, which particular book are those pages taken from? I'll have to pick it up.

2nd August 2015, 10:37 PM	#6
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	Re. breech plugs in toradors, this subject has come up a couple of times at meetings of the Royal Armouries Association. According to one of the curators a slightly oversized plug is made, the breech area heated to red, and the plug hammered in. It seems a bit unsafe to us, but the design lasted so must function well enough.

8th August 2015, 05:54 AM	#8
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Rick, What you feel at the breech is very likely the powder chamber. In these muskets the chamber is Smaller bore than the barrel, so what appears an obstruction, is just this narrower piece. The old Hand Gonnes were the same, with a narrower bored breech, initially made that way so the serpentine powder didn't get too compressed, as if it Was compressed it wouldn't ignite. Question for you if I may; does the stock fit under the arm when aiming? I have never had hold of a torador, so am in the dark! I recently purchased a couple of barrels and a torador needing parts, but they are still in the UK at present. Thanks for your time Rick, Best wishes Richard.