Show us your Powder flask

Kubur · 26th March 2015, 12:37 PM

I noticed very few threads about powder flasks and bullet containers.
Do you have some nice Ottoman / Persian stuff to share?

stelio · 28th March 2015, 11:10 AM

Four greek ottoman bullets case (palaskas).first half 19 century.

Robert · 29th March 2015, 02:07 AM

As this subject and the items that will be discussed here are more weapons related and not actually weapons themselves I am moving this thread to the Ethnographic Miscellania forum.

Best,
Robert

BANDOOK · 31st March 2015, 06:42 AM

KUBUR HERE ARE MY POWDER FLASKS
1-TURKISH/OTTOMON POWDER FLASK
2-TIBETAN POWDER FLASK MADE FROM THE HORN OF BHARUL[TIBETAN ANTELOPE]
3-MORROCON BEE HIVE POWDER FLASK
4-AFGAHAN /CENTRAL ASIA POWDER FLASK
CHEERS RAJESH

Kubur · 1st April 2015, 09:06 AM

Dear Stelio & Rajesh,

Thanks, they are great stuff.
I will post tonight a palaska, a Moroccan primer flask and a Mughal powder flask.
Rajesh, I think your first one is Moroccan (I'm sure in fact).

Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 1st April 2015, 09:09 AM

You have a coin dated from 1336/ 1917 on it.
So the powder flask should be from 1917 or a little bit later.

BANDOOK · 1st April 2015, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

You have a coin dated from 1336/ 1917 on it.
So the powder flask should be from 1917 or a little bit later.

THANKS KUBUR FOR THE INFORMATION,LOOKING FORWARD FOR YOUR POWDER FLASK COLLECTION,ALSO PLEASE POST ALL YOUR ETHINOGRAPHIC MUSKETS/MATCHLOCKS IN YOUR COLLECTION AND I SHALL DO THE SAME,REGARDS RAJESH

Norman McCormick · 1st April 2015, 11:35 PM

A couple more Palaskes.
Regards,
Norman.

Kubur · 1st April 2015, 11:39 PM

Here I post two bullet containers, Ottoman, Bulgarian I think.
Tomorow the powder flasks...
For the muskets and matchlock, I think you should open a thread on
Indian matchlock, another on Arabian longuns and may be another one on Ottoman muskets. I will try to fill the threads if Ihave something to put in...

kahnjar1 · 3rd April 2015, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Dear Stelio & Rajesh,

Thanks, they are great stuff.
I will post tonight a palaska, a Moroccan primer flask and a Mughal powder flask.
Rajesh, I think your first one is Moroccan (I'm sure in fact).

Best,
Kubur

I agree with Kubur.....#1 is definitely Moroccan.
Stu

BANDOOK · 3rd April 2015, 08:55 AM

1-A NORTH AFRICAN POWDER-FLASK, to mid to late 19th century, the horn body strongly curved, with white-metal embossed mounts and hinged lid with lozenged spout
2- TWO BRASS NORTH AFRICAN POWDER OR SHOT MEASURES, mid to late 19th century, probably Moroccan
I JUST BOUGHT THESE FROM AUCTION IN U.K

stelio · 4th April 2015, 10:40 PM

My opinion from a little bronze boxes is a ottoman crease carrying cases and the other is a powder measure.

Berkley · 5th April 2015, 04:49 AM

A type reputedly based on a camel scrotum. Whether or not the origin is apocryphal , it does lend itself to easier refill, and has a larger capacity than many other designs.

kahnjar1 · 5th April 2015, 05:53 AM

Was going to wait before showing these but the thread is growing...............
By the way Berkley what about a full length of that Jezail..............
Assuming the pics line up ..
#1 Omani Wooden Flask
#2 Brass Arabian/North African
#3 Omani Talahiq Silver with gold decoration
#4 Silver Indo/Arab Primer flask
#5 Omani/Arabian Copper with brass decoration
#6 Omani with silver decoration
#7 Indian Barutdan...the cork of course is not original!! I should also add that this item is not here yet and the pic is the sellers hence the small size. Once it arrives I will post a better pic

Enjoy
Stu

rickystl · 5th April 2015, 05:32 PM

hello everyone. I have not been Posting or starting new Treads here on the Forum for a long time. So I need to get back into the Party.

Those are some really nice powder and bullet containers posted above. Thanks for sharing.
Here is my collection of Ethno powder and bullet containers. I can describe each, but most of them will be familiar to you.

Bandook: That is a good idea. If all of us on this Tread will post pics of their Ethnographic firearms, I believe we could all enjoy a good time. There's not that many of us that are interested in the guns. Most are interested in the blades and armour (I don't blame them). My special area of interest are the Balkan/Ottoman/Turkish/Greek, etc. flintlock firearms. Some I have have been restored to firing condition.

I've only posted a couple in the past, but have many more if you are all interested. Would also like to see your guns! What do you all think? Thanks, Rick.

rickystl · 5th April 2015, 05:33 PM

A couple more pics of the Turkish belt buckle.

Kubur · 5th April 2015, 07:15 PM

Woaw, Omani powder flask, Ottoman belts...Just so beautiful
I add
One Ottoman powder flask with a stamp
Probably for the silver parts (please see the thread about algerian bishaq)
One primer flask from Afghanistan
One powder flask from Pakistan, probably Mughal
One Ottoman powder measure
One Ottoman bullet box
One Moroccan primer flask...
BUT after the thread on the Kohl flasks, I wonder if my primer flask is not in fact a khol flask...What do you think Khanjar?
All the best,
Kubur

Kubur · 5th April 2015, 07:22 PM

The pictures

rickystl · 5th April 2015, 08:02 PM

Oh Great!! Even more. All beautiful!! Thanks Kubar for Posting. Hope we see some more. There are more of these collected here on this Forum than I first thought. Great.
Do you think there would be enought interest if I started a new Thread with a different Ethno gun each week? Thanks, Rick.

kahnjar1 · 5th April 2015, 08:20 PM

Hi Kubur,
I assume you are referring to the last pic that you show? As you do not show size of the item, or if there is a "wand" inside, I can not comment on what it actually is. IF there is a wand inside then it is a Kohl pot. The loops on the outside would perhaps suggest that it IS a Kohl but then they could also be for a suspension cord I suppose.
Stu

Norman McCormick · 5th April 2015, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Oh Great!! Even more. All beautiful!! Thanks Kubar for Posting. Hope we see some more. There are more of these collected here on this Forum than I first thought. Great.
Do you think there would be enought interest if I started a new Thread with a different Ethno gun each week? Thanks, Rick.

Hi Rick,
Nice to see you back

A different Ethno firearm each week? Why not!
Regards,
Norman.

Berkley · 5th April 2015, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

By the way Berkley what about a full length of that Jezail..............

Posted and discussed when first acquired: LINK

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

I have not been Posting or starting new Treads here on the Forum for a long time. So I need to get back into the Party.

...
If all of us on this Tread will post pics of their Ethnographic firearms, I believe we could all enjoy a good time....My special area of interest are the Balkan/Ottoman/Turkish/Greek, etc. flintlock firearms. Some I have have been restored to firing condition.

I've only posted a couple in the past, but have many more if you are all interested….
Do you think there would be enough interest if I started a new Thread with a different Ethno gun each week?

I would certainly be very interested!

rickystl · 5th April 2015, 09:02 PM

Hi Norman! How have you been? Yes, I've been away too long.
Those two Greek bullet containers are really nice. The Greek specimens always seem to bring more $ than their Turkish counterparts.
I own a lot of Ethno guns, many in restored shooting condition which some of the Forum members might find interesting. So I guess there is no time like the present. So I'll post the first one today in the Ethno Arms section.
Do you still have that Scottish Snaphaunce? Thanks, Rick.

rickystl · 5th April 2015, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkley

Posted and discussed when first acquired: LINK

I would certainly be very interested!

Hi Berkley. Thanks for the Link. I have some catching up to do.

Since you brought up Jazail, I'll start with that one. Thanks, Rick.

kahnjar1 · 5th April 2015, 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=Berkley]Posted and discussed when first acquired: LINK

Hi Berkley,
Old age dulls the mind.....of course I now remember your previous post.
Stu

Norman McCormick · 6th April 2015, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Norman! How have you been? Yes, I've been away too long.
Those two Greek bullet containers are really nice. The Greek specimens always seem to bring more $ than their Turkish counterparts.
I own a lot of Ethno guns, many in restored shooting condition which some of the Forum members might find interesting. So I guess there is no time like the present. So I'll post the first one today in the Ethno Arms section.
Do you still have that Scottish Snaphaunce? Thanks, Rick.

Good thanks Rick and yes I've still got the 'Scottish' snaphaunce and the ball and bits are still in the breech

I'm really looking forward to your firearms threads

My Regards,
Norman.

fernando · 7th April 2015, 07:17 PM

I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan.
I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark.

.

kahnjar1 · 7th April 2015, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan.
I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark.

.

Nice flask Fernando. How big is it?
I THINK that the marks are only decoration as I have seen similar on other flasks.
Stu

Kubur · 7th April 2015, 11:13 PM

Hi Fernando
I would say Pakistan Afghanistan or even Oman
but definitively not Persian

russel · 8th April 2015, 01:40 AM

This ended on eBay recently, I only submitted a nominal bid and didn't win it. I am not entirely sure what it is. Has anyone seen something similar?

1st April 2015, 11:35 PM	#8
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	A couple more Palaskes. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

1st April 2015, 11:39 PM	#9
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Here I post two bullet containers, Ottoman, Bulgarian I think. Tomorow the powder flasks... For the muskets and matchlock, I think you should open a thread on Indian matchlock, another on Arabian longuns and may be another one on Ottoman muskets. I will try to fill the threads if Ihave something to put in... Attached Images

3rd April 2015, 08:55 AM	#11
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	North african flask and shot measures 1-A NORTH AFRICAN POWDER-FLASK, to mid to late 19th century, the horn body strongly curved, with white-metal embossed mounts and hinged lid with lozenged spout 2- TWO BRASS NORTH AFRICAN POWDER OR SHOT MEASURES, mid to late 19th century, probably Moroccan I JUST BOUGHT THESE FROM AUCTION IN U.K Attached Images

4th April 2015, 10:40 PM	#12
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	ottoman grease carrying case photos My opinion from a little bronze boxes is a ottoman crease carrying cases and the other is a powder measure. Attached Images Last edited by stelio; 4th April 2015 at 11:00 PM. Reason: photos

5th April 2015, 04:49 AM	#13
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	A type reputedly based on a camel scrotum. Whether or not the origin is apocryphal , it does lend itself to easier refill, and has a larger capacity than many other designs. Attached Images

26th March 2015, 12:37 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Show us your Powder flask I noticed very few threads about powder flasks and bullet containers. Do you have some nice Ottoman / Persian stuff to share?

28th March 2015, 11:10 AM	#2
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Greek ottoman palaskas Four greek ottoman bullets case (palaskas).first half 19 century. Attached Images

29th March 2015, 02:07 AM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	As this subject and the items that will be discussed here are more weapons related and not actually weapons themselves I am moving this thread to the Ethnographic Miscellania forum. Best, Robert

31st March 2015, 06:42 AM	#4
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	VARIOUS POWDER FLASKS FROM MY COLLECTION KUBUR HERE ARE MY POWDER FLASKS 1-TURKISH/OTTOMON POWDER FLASK 2-TIBETAN POWDER FLASK MADE FROM THE HORN OF BHARUL[TIBETAN ANTELOPE] 3-MORROCON BEE HIVE POWDER FLASK 4-AFGAHAN /CENTRAL ASIA POWDER FLASK CHEERS RAJESH Attached Images Last edited by BANDOOK; 31st March 2015 at 07:04 AM.

1st April 2015, 09:06 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Dear Stelio & Rajesh, Thanks, they are great stuff. I will post tonight a palaska, a Moroccan primer flask and a Mughal powder flask. Rajesh, I think your first one is Moroccan (I'm sure in fact). Best, Kubur

1st April 2015, 09:09 AM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	You have a coin dated from 1336/ 1917 on it. So the powder flask should be from 1917 or a little bit later.

5th April 2015, 05:53 AM	#14
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	A FEW MORE Was going to wait before showing these but the thread is growing............... By the way Berkley what about a full length of that Jezail.............. Assuming the pics line up .. #1 Omani Wooden Flask #2 Brass Arabian/North African #3 Omani Talahiq Silver with gold decoration #4 Silver Indo/Arab Primer flask #5 Omani/Arabian Copper with brass decoration #6 Omani with silver decoration #7 Indian Barutdan...the cork of course is not original!! I should also add that this item is not here yet and the pic is the sellers hence the small size. Once it arrives I will post a better pic Enjoy Stu Attached Images Last edited by kahnjar1; 5th April 2015 at 09:00 AM.

5th April 2015, 05:32 PM	#15
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	hello everyone. I have not been Posting or starting new Treads here on the Forum for a long time. So I need to get back into the Party. Those are some really nice powder and bullet containers posted above. Thanks for sharing. Here is my collection of Ethno powder and bullet containers. I can describe each, but most of them will be familiar to you. Bandook: That is a good idea. If all of us on this Tread will post pics of their Ethnographic firearms, I believe we could all enjoy a good time. There's not that many of us that are interested in the guns. Most are interested in the blades and armour (I don't blame them). My special area of interest are the Balkan/Ottoman/Turkish/Greek, etc. flintlock firearms. Some I have have been restored to firing condition. I've only posted a couple in the past, but have many more if you are all interested. Would also like to see your guns! What do you all think? Thanks, Rick. Attached Images

5th April 2015, 05:33 PM	#16
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	A couple more pics of the Turkish belt buckle. Attached Images

5th April 2015, 07:15 PM	#17
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Woaw, Omani powder flask, Ottoman belts...Just so beautiful I add One Ottoman powder flask with a stamp Probably for the silver parts (please see the thread about algerian bishaq) One primer flask from Afghanistan One powder flask from Pakistan, probably Mughal One Ottoman powder measure One Ottoman bullet box One Moroccan primer flask... BUT after the thread on the Kohl flasks, I wonder if my primer flask is not in fact a khol flask...What do you think Khanjar? All the best, Kubur Attached Images

5th April 2015, 07:22 PM	#18
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The pictures Attached Images

5th April 2015, 08:02 PM	#19
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Oh Great!! Even more. All beautiful!! Thanks Kubar for Posting. Hope we see some more. There are more of these collected here on this Forum than I first thought. Great. Do you think there would be enought interest if I started a new Thread with a different Ethno gun each week? Thanks, Rick.

5th April 2015, 08:20 PM	#20
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	Kohl or Primer?? Hi Kubur, I assume you are referring to the last pic that you show? As you do not show size of the item, or if there is a "wand" inside, I can not comment on what it actually is. IF there is a wand inside then it is a Kohl pot. The loops on the outside would perhaps suggest that it IS a Kohl but then they could also be for a suspension cord I suppose. Stu

5th April 2015, 09:02 PM	#23
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Norman! How have you been? Yes, I've been away too long. Those two Greek bullet containers are really nice. The Greek specimens always seem to bring more $ than their Turkish counterparts. I own a lot of Ethno guns, many in restored shooting condition which some of the Forum members might find interesting. So I guess there is no time like the present. So I'll post the first one today in the Ethno Arms section. Do you still have that Scottish Snaphaunce? Thanks, Rick.

5th April 2015, 09:43 PM	#25
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	[QUOTE=Berkley]Posted and discussed when first acquired: LINK Hi Berkley, Old age dulls the mind.....of course I now remember your previous post. Stu

7th April 2015, 07:17 PM	#27
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan. I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark. . Attached Images

7th April 2015, 11:13 PM	#29
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Fernando I would say Pakistan Afghanistan or even Oman but definitively not Persian

8th April 2015, 01:40 AM	#30
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	Powder Flask or something else This ended on eBay recently, I only submitted a nominal bid and didn't win it. I am not entirely sure what it is. Has anyone seen something similar? Attached Images