Armour?

Aqtai · 11th December 2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahriman

Hm, I forgot.
Is it possible to put skirting on a krug? You know, something like the suit in the MET...
And one more thing... How high shall a krug be? The current one is modified already, so it doesn't count, but the next one will be, most likely, authentic... I made it to european standars, so it stops a little after the ribs. Is it too long, or too short?
Last thing. I bet you don't put on a hauberk under a krug, right?
Thanks!

Actually, AFAIK, you do!

The krug was worn over a mail hauberk. It provided additional protection to the chest, abdomen, sides and shoulders. Although i suppose they could also be worn on their own.

This is an old photo of the Royal armouries krug. And yes those are greaves being used as vambraces, like I said, it's an old photo:

It was still over a mail hauberk when I first visited the Royal armouries in 1989.

This is how it is now:

These krugs are also worn over mail hauberks:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5...bert1017ui.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...an_Stone_1.jpg

I normally don't really approve of reconstructions (they get too many details wrong), but I think this might be helpful:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...scirca1600.jpg

Ahriman · 11th December 2005, 07:11 PM

Ok, thanks, useful pictures again...

So I measured it well... sad thing is that I can't find examples of skirted krugs... So my one will be semi-fantasy, it seems... Krug-inspired mail&plates harness, huh.

But if that's the case, I will add the integrated m&p sleeves and the standing collar... it won't make it less authentic.

BTW, would this pass as Allah?
Oh, and it's the current layout, now without the spaulders. The back disc will have more flutes... exactly 16. The armpit-plates will have reinforcing flutes, at the centerline of the triangles. The main modification was the reducing of the disc's size. The lowest plate, which is now in one place, will be in 3, reducing the krug-like look even more.

Opinions? Especially, would it be possible?

Aqtai · 11th December 2005, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahriman

Ok, thanks, useful pictures again...

So I measured it well... sad thing is that I can't find examples of skirted krugs... So my one will be semi-fantasy, it seems... Krug-inspired mail&plates harness, huh.

But if that's the case, I will add the integrated m&p sleeves and the standing collar... it won't make it less authentic.

BTW, would this pass as Allah?
Oh, and it's the current layout, now without the spaulders. The back disc will have more flutes... exactly 16. The armpit-plates will have reinforcing flutes, at the centerline of the triangles. The main modification was the reducing of the disc's size. The lowest plate, which is now in one place, will be in 3, reducing the krug-like look even more.

Opinions? Especially, would it be possible?

I'll put it this way: you're not going to whin any prizes for Arabic calligraphy.

but yes, it's legible.

I see what you mean about the "skirt". It does change the appearence considerably. The bit above that is fine though. You haven't done the side pieces yet though?

Here's another picture of just the front part of a krug:
http://www.antiques-arms.com/catalog...roducts_id=548

Ahriman · 12th December 2005, 09:58 AM

Well, keep in mind that I'm learning arabic only... well, about a month ago, and I have less than a hour daily for it.

No, I didn't work on it more since then... I'm going to start hammering in about 10 minutes, so I'll tire you with even more pictures...

Ahriman · 12th December 2005, 07:53 PM

BTW, could you please post/send me a few (million

) pictures of arabic calligraphy on armour? Or on anything? I'll have to learn it, but I don't think it'd be a good idea if I started improvising...

Aqtai · 12th December 2005, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahriman

BTW, could you please post/send me a few (million

) pictures of arabic calligraphy on armour? Or on anything? I'll have to learn it, but I don't think it'd be a good idea if I started improvising...

I'll try, but it will mean lots of scanning.

Ahriman · 13th December 2005, 05:41 PM

Hm, 25% off any item you might buy from our shop?

Side pieces are done, by now the only missing piece is the spaulder, buyer comes for test fit tomorrow, so it'll be ready in less than a week with blackening... then, I'll have to make that musculata from King Arthur, and after that, I'll have time to (at least) start my own eastren harness.

11th December 2005, 07:11 PM	#2
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Ok, thanks, useful pictures again... So I measured it well... sad thing is that I can't find examples of skirted krugs... So my one will be semi-fantasy, it seems... Krug-inspired mail&plates harness, huh. But if that's the case, I will add the integrated m&p sleeves and the standing collar... it won't make it less authentic. BTW, would this pass as Allah? Oh, and it's the current layout, now without the spaulders. The back disc will have more flutes... exactly 16. The armpit-plates will have reinforcing flutes, at the centerline of the triangles. The main modification was the reducing of the disc's size. The lowest plate, which is now in one place, will be in 3, reducing the krug-like look even more. Opinions? Especially, would it be possible?

12th December 2005, 09:58 AM	#4
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Well, keep in mind that I'm learning arabic only... well, about a month ago, and I have less than a hour daily for it. No, I didn't work on it more since then... I'm going to start hammering in about 10 minutes, so I'll tire you with even more pictures...

12th December 2005, 07:53 PM	#5
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	BTW, could you please post/send me a few (million ) pictures of arabic calligraphy on armour? Or on anything? I'll have to learn it, but I don't think it'd be a good idea if I started improvising...

13th December 2005, 05:41 PM	#7
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Hm, 25% off any item you might buy from our shop? Side pieces are done, by now the only missing piece is the spaulder, buyer comes for test fit tomorrow, so it'll be ready in less than a week with blackening... then, I'll have to make that musculata from King Arthur, and after that, I'll have time to (at least) start my own eastren harness.